Thanks SarabJit,
This group has been very informative for better understanding of RTI
issues for laymen person like me.
Today,I am writing my first mail after reading this & think that we
can take this group to a next level for building the nation.
I personally feel group has calibre & enlightened minds to think of
country at large on larger issues of Nation like Governance,Public
Policy,Justice System, Administration Etc Etc
On 10/29/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear HJ List
>
> It seems, that 30 people from HJ had nothing better to do than answer
> that type pass poll.
>
> Luckily, more 26 of them got the right answer.
> Which proves that HJ-GG still is "Indian" at heart
>
> It also seems that HJ members (like their moderators) are completely
> bored, and there is nothing left fpr us in the RTI scene any more.
>
> Should we instead join this new movement for the "Right to Privacy",
> also known as "Right to be left alone" ?
>
> Last week I endured receiving over 450 emails allegedly from the
> mailing list of "India Against Corruption". The most popular email
> there was titled "Leave me alone".
>
> After seeing the desperate pleas of people being unable to unsubscribe
> from these mails (although to be fair the list owner "Ajay Dixit" had
> given some very detailed instructions), I sense there is an even more
> fundamental desire in Indians to be simply left alone to get on with
> their lives and be spared the constant bombardment of sensationalist
> "information" which keeps harassing them from every media joker and
> RTI Taxi.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear HJ list
>>
>> please ignore this "poll". it was an educative collaborative
>> work-in-progress on simple internet communication strategies for IAC
>> inclined morons which was posted to HJ-GG list by mistake.
>>
>> On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I thought you would like my poll. now run off and design some more on
>>> your
>>> own. Please do one with that Aseem Trivedi cartoon
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM, IAC INFO <
>>> info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1) See the attached picture
>>>>
>>>> 2) See if you can answer Yes or No ...
>>>> http://micropoll.com/t/KE7H6ZQMy0
>>>>
>>>> 3) Post a comment
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Best Regards
R K Atri
F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518
Sunday, October 28, 2012
[HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] FLASH:Going on NDTV : Privacy vs Disclosure
Dear Lokesh
This is with reference to both your posts below AND with ref to our discussions.at the CIC's recent RTI convention.
1) I really don't know why you STILL continue to function as Aruna Roy's lapdog circulating such NCPRI / Congress / NAC sponsored videos. What have you done in your career in the Navy that the NCPRI gang can blackmail you with ?
2) Note the lies that Shailesh Gandhi was dishing out. At somewhere around 21:00 minutes he had the cheek to say "All Information Commissioners are selected by a system of patronage / lottery. I was selected by a lottery".
3) BULLSHIT !!! Mr Shailesh Gandhi was selected (??) by a system of patronage. He was selected to hush up certain inconvenient facts including about Sonia Gandhi's financial affairs which he had managed to obtain in RTI - and which unlike all his other so-called "all my emails are in public domain" bakwaas he never put in the public space. Mr Shailesh Gandhi's name / CV was inserted at the very last moment because he blackmailed his way into the post through a letter in 2 parts sent to Smt Sonia Gandhi by Aruna Roy's junior poodle Arvind Kejriwal (and co-signed by a few other of her handbag haramis). To cover up that SG would be "selected" Aruna Roy added on names of 3 other NCPRI "civil society" persons. Prithviraj Chauhan initially voiced his strong objections against SG's selection but knowing all the documents SG had obtained / applied for he later thought it better to go along as a loyal party man and family man. Of course the SG / NCPRI camp has some other story involving L.K.Advani protesting and objecting.
4) So if SG says "I was selected by lottery" - We the people say AMUSEDLY it was a FIXED lottery, where the "Magician" (who ensure which names go to the 3 member Cabinet and which "trick" you Lokesh will never discover even if you file 1,000 RTIs to the Cabsec or DoPT or PMO) has already stacked the deck and tells you "pick a card "ANY" NCPRI card - but preferably this one"
Sarbajit
This is with reference to both your posts below AND with ref to our discussions.at the CIC's recent RTI convention.
1) I really don't know why you STILL continue to function as Aruna Roy's lapdog circulating such NCPRI / Congress / NAC sponsored videos. What have you done in your career in the Navy that the NCPRI gang can blackmail you with ?
2) Note the lies that Shailesh Gandhi was dishing out. At somewhere around 21:00 minutes he had the cheek to say "All Information Commissioners are selected by a system of patronage / lottery. I was selected by a lottery".
3) BULLSHIT !!! Mr Shailesh Gandhi was selected (??) by a system of patronage. He was selected to hush up certain inconvenient facts including about Sonia Gandhi's financial affairs which he had managed to obtain in RTI - and which unlike all his other so-called "all my emails are in public domain" bakwaas he never put in the public space. Mr Shailesh Gandhi's name / CV was inserted at the very last moment because he blackmailed his way into the post through a letter in 2 parts sent to Smt Sonia Gandhi by Aruna Roy's junior poodle Arvind Kejriwal (and co-signed by a few other of her handbag haramis). To cover up that SG would be "selected" Aruna Roy added on names of 3 other NCPRI "civil society" persons. Prithviraj Chauhan initially voiced his strong objections against SG's selection but knowing all the documents SG had obtained / applied for he later thought it better to go along as a loyal party man and family man. Of course the SG / NCPRI camp has some other story involving L.K.Advani protesting and objecting.
4) So if SG says "I was selected by lottery" - We the people say AMUSEDLY it was a FIXED lottery, where the "Magician" (who ensure which names go to the 3 member Cabinet and which "trick" you Lokesh will never discover even if you file 1,000 RTIs to the Cabsec or DoPT or PMO) has already stacked the deck and tells you "pick a card "ANY" NCPRI card - but preferably this one"
Sarbajit
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:34 AM, lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Those who missed watching 'Big Fight' on the subject Live .... Can see the video of the programme "'Information vs privacy: Is RTI being diluted?" on link below:
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-big-fight/information-vs-privacy-is-rti-being-diluted/252494?pfrom=home-lateststories
Rgds,
- Lokesh
--- On Sat, 10/27/12, lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge-YG] FLASH:Going on NDTV : Privacy vs Disclosure
To:
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 8:02 PM__._,_.___messages in archives can be accessed only by members, but all are welcome to join hum janenge group. visit http://indiarti.blogspot.com to know everything on rti.
.
__,_._,___
[HumJanenge] Re: New 500 words Rule
Dear Krish
1) The RTI application cannot be "rejected" ONLY on the ground that it
contains more than 500 words. So the answer to your question is YES, a
CPIO can reject it along with another reason IF (and only if) that
other reason is a valid reason for rejection (like new Rule 9,
insufficient / excess fee etc).
2) The answer to your question is YES. An RTI application must
ORDINARILY be within 500 words (which INCLUDES the name and address of
CPIO and applicant). So for a RTI containing 1375 words the PIO can
demand Rs 30 as application fee by treating it as 3 applications. Note
that he is not "rejecting it"
3) The FAA ought not to reject it. OTH the CIC can do anything
(including reject it if they feel the application was frivolous,
vexatious, etc etc)
Sarbajit
On 10/28/12, TNK <tnkeealhw@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> The recent rule dated 31st July 2012 restrict applications with 500 words.
>
> In the same rule says that no application to be rejected only on the ground
> that it exceeds 500 words.
>
> My doubts:-
>
> 1. Can PIO rejects the application with some other reason along with the
> reason of "more than 500 words"?
>
> 2. Theses restriction included in the heading of Application fee. Can PIO
> demand more fee as the application is more than 500 words.
>
> 3. Application not to be rejected by PIO on this 500 words ground. Thus FAA
> or CIC can reject on this ground?
>
> Andaman Krish
>
>
>
1) The RTI application cannot be "rejected" ONLY on the ground that it
contains more than 500 words. So the answer to your question is YES, a
CPIO can reject it along with another reason IF (and only if) that
other reason is a valid reason for rejection (like new Rule 9,
insufficient / excess fee etc).
2) The answer to your question is YES. An RTI application must
ORDINARILY be within 500 words (which INCLUDES the name and address of
CPIO and applicant). So for a RTI containing 1375 words the PIO can
demand Rs 30 as application fee by treating it as 3 applications. Note
that he is not "rejecting it"
3) The FAA ought not to reject it. OTH the CIC can do anything
(including reject it if they feel the application was frivolous,
vexatious, etc etc)
Sarbajit
On 10/28/12, TNK <tnkeealhw@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> The recent rule dated 31st July 2012 restrict applications with 500 words.
>
> In the same rule says that no application to be rejected only on the ground
> that it exceeds 500 words.
>
> My doubts:-
>
> 1. Can PIO rejects the application with some other reason along with the
> reason of "more than 500 words"?
>
> 2. Theses restriction included in the heading of Application fee. Can PIO
> demand more fee as the application is more than 500 words.
>
> 3. Application not to be rejected by PIO on this 500 words ground. Thus FAA
> or CIC can reject on this ground?
>
> Andaman Krish
>
>
>
[HumJanenge] Re: Fwd: {IN.Cong] ultimate "Yes, I am an Indian" quiz
Dear HJ List
It seems, that 30 people from HJ had nothing better to do than answer
that type pass poll.
Luckily, more 26 of them got the right answer.
Which proves that HJ-GG still is "Indian" at heart
It also seems that HJ members (like their moderators) are completely
bored, and there is nothing left fpr us in the RTI scene any more.
Should we instead join this new movement for the "Right to Privacy",
also known as "Right to be left alone" ?
Last week I endured receiving over 450 emails allegedly from the
mailing list of "India Against Corruption". The most popular email
there was titled "Leave me alone".
After seeing the desperate pleas of people being unable to unsubscribe
from these mails (although to be fair the list owner "Ajay Dixit" had
given some very detailed instructions), I sense there is an even more
fundamental desire in Indians to be simply left alone to get on with
their lives and be spared the constant bombardment of sensationalist
"information" which keeps harassing them from every media joker and
RTI Taxi.
Sarbajit
On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear HJ list
>
> please ignore this "poll". it was an educative collaborative
> work-in-progress on simple internet communication strategies for IAC
> inclined morons which was posted to HJ-GG list by mistake.
>
> On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> I thought you would like my poll. now run off and design some more on
>> your
>> own. Please do one with that Aseem Trivedi cartoon
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM, IAC INFO <
>> info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1) See the attached picture
>>>
>>> 2) See if you can answer Yes or No ...
>>> http://micropoll.com/t/KE7H6ZQMy0
>>>
>>> 3) Post a comment
>>>
>>
>
It seems, that 30 people from HJ had nothing better to do than answer
that type pass poll.
Luckily, more 26 of them got the right answer.
Which proves that HJ-GG still is "Indian" at heart
It also seems that HJ members (like their moderators) are completely
bored, and there is nothing left fpr us in the RTI scene any more.
Should we instead join this new movement for the "Right to Privacy",
also known as "Right to be left alone" ?
Last week I endured receiving over 450 emails allegedly from the
mailing list of "India Against Corruption". The most popular email
there was titled "Leave me alone".
After seeing the desperate pleas of people being unable to unsubscribe
from these mails (although to be fair the list owner "Ajay Dixit" had
given some very detailed instructions), I sense there is an even more
fundamental desire in Indians to be simply left alone to get on with
their lives and be spared the constant bombardment of sensationalist
"information" which keeps harassing them from every media joker and
RTI Taxi.
Sarbajit
On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear HJ list
>
> please ignore this "poll". it was an educative collaborative
> work-in-progress on simple internet communication strategies for IAC
> inclined morons which was posted to HJ-GG list by mistake.
>
> On 10/27/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> I thought you would like my poll. now run off and design some more on
>> your
>> own. Please do one with that Aseem Trivedi cartoon
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM, IAC INFO <
>> info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1) See the attached picture
>>>
>>> 2) See if you can answer Yes or No ...
>>> http://micropoll.com/t/KE7H6ZQMy0
>>>
>>> 3) Post a comment
>>>
>>
>
Re: [HumJanenge] LET NOT THE POLITICAL SPACE BE OCCUPIED BY MUD SLINGING
When 50 lakhs becomes 500 crores in a short period of time,its called Vadra effect.When Rs 500 crore becomes Rs 50 lakh,its called Kingfisher. And when 30 thousand crore becomes negative same, its called Air India.
All in public domain.
Regards.
On Oct 28, 2012 5:12 PM, "Randhir Sethi" <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
it is not mud slinging, it is only an attempt to to awaken the masses who have for far too long ben taken for a ride under the garb of inclusive growthunless the facts r out in public domain and the blatant loot of the countrys wealth is known to each and every individual, how else would any one expect a voter to make the right choicelets us hope v all come out of the muck v r landed in as of todaybubblesOn Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
Chennai
nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
To
Humjanenge
Sir,
LET NOT THE POLITICAL SPACE BE OCCUPIED BY MUD SLINGING
It is sad that Indian political space is now being occupied by unsubstantiated allegations and vituperative language. Certainly , the country's media space is not being occupied by those who deserve the space by their intellectual capability and credibility.
Mahatma Gandhi said that a man of truth should also be a man of care. Those who claim to be honest should be able to prove by their behaviour and utterances that they are honest.Such honest people will not use vituperative and abusive language and will conduct themselves with dignity and confidence.
For heaven's sake,use of counter productive abusive language should not be continued any longer. Let everyone concerned in this "battle", go to the electorate and seek their opinion. Certainly, the Indian electorate have shown enormous wisdom and maturity, much much more than the so called political leaders. Every time , they have rejected the unworthy people and gone for the better within the choice available for them.
Let everyone talk about the economic policies, social issues and give a firm assurance that they would be honest and truthful. There is no need to throw mud on another person to prove they are better and in the process get the mud thrown back at them. Indian voters deserve better and they can see through the game of everyone.
N. S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
Chennai
nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
Re: [HumJanenge] Put NGOs under RTI scalpel , Sandhya Jain
Reminder service
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Sun, 28/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Put NGOs under RTI scalpel , Sandhya Jain
> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 28 October, 2012, 10:49 AM
> "The Government should immediately
> bring all activists under the RTI
> scalpel; this will literally scalp them."
>
> originally posted at http://dailypioneer.com .. Aug 8,
> 2006
>
> Put NGOs under RTI scalpel
>
> Sandhya Jain
>
> The $50,000 Magsaysay Award was recently conferred upon
> Arvind
> Kejriwal, a former Indian Revenue Service officer
> campaigning for the
> Right to Information (RTI). Though several Indians have
> received this
> prize from Philippines, not many citizens are aware that
> this is
> actually an American award for Asians. Set up by the
> Rockefeller
> Brothers Foundation, most of the purse comes from the Ford
> Foundation.
>
> The citation does not say when Mr Kejriwal resigned from
> service, but
> mentions his association with Parivartan, an entity
> campaigning for
> RTI. Mr Kejriwal was in service when he was with Parivartan,
> which is
> not a registered NGO (a Society, Trust, or S.25 Company).
> Under income
> tax, it is an Association of Persons (AoP), a coming
> together of
> persons with a profit-motive so that members can share its
> income,
> unlike in a registered society. The Parivartan website
> conceals its
> AoP, barring one Manish Sisodia (part-time volunteer,
> founder-member
> and treasurer), and terms of association, yet demands a
> level of
> transparency from governmental agencies that is not in vogue
> anywhere
> in the world.
>
> In a timely study on some of India's most exalted
> conscience-keepers,
> Radha Rajan and Krishen Kak argue for public scrutiny of
> those who
> hold society or government to ransom, usually at the behest
> of foreign
> sponsors (NGOs, Activists & Foreign Funds. Anti-Nation
> Industry, Vigil
> Public Opinion Forum, 2006). Kak's meticulous research shows
> that in
> FY 2002-03, Parivartan showed receipts for Rs 2,02,489 (Rs
> 2,01,889
> are donations); the total expenditure is Rs 1,88,164, of
> which
> salaries take Rs 1,14,000. The only 'programme cost' is Rs
> 35,945 on a
> 'jan sunwai' public hearing), and the rest is standard
> administrative
> expense.
>
> However, Parivartan claims its annual fixed costs are
> approximately Rs
> six lakh, and programme costs are "partly funded through
> collections
> from the community itself including poor people and the
> shortfall is
> made good by raising funds from outside". Its website does
> not say if
> these funds are included in the receipts statement and if
> receipts are
> issued for small sums given by poor people. Yet it wants to
> make the
> Government of India accountable to itself on behalf of the
> "people of
> India".
>
> Radha Rajan argues that many high-profile NGOs serve
> America's vision
> of a post-Cold-War world order. Hence they advocate
> 'communal harmony'
> in India even as jihad batters the Hindu community, and
> promote
> 'peace' with Pakistan despite its formidable terrorist
> infrastructure.
> They are essentially political activists using social
> activism as a
> mask for their crusade against an independent nationalist
> India. Thus
> they are invariably anti-Government of India,
> anti-military,
> anti-police, anti-nuclear, and, of course, anti-Hindu.
>
> America uses the Magsaysay and other awards to legitimise
> its
> loyalists. Indian Magsaysay awardees include Mahasweta Devi
> (1997),
> Aruna Roy and Martin Macwan (2000), Sandeep Pandey (2002),
> Nirmala
> Deshpande and Admiral Ramdas (2005). Then, Praful Bidwai and
> Achin
> Vanaik received the Sean Macbride Peace Prize (2000) and
> Arundhati Roy
> the Sydney Peace Prize (2004). In neighbouring Nepal,
> journalist
> Bharat Koirala got the Magsaysay in 2002 for unleashing the
> anti-Hindu
> process there. Today, a Christian Prachanda has taken over
> the country
> by terrorising the effete political parties and the king is
> a virtual
> prisoner.
>
> Krishen Kak's expose of Harsh Mander (Scoring Against
> Paganism:
> Untangling the Manderweb) is a warning to the Government
> about the
> monetary subversion of serving officers by foreign regimes.
> In March
> 2002, Mander, an IAS officer, became an international
> celebrity when
> he attacked the communal violence in Gujarat (after 58
> Hindus were
> burnt alive at Godhra) in an article in a leading newspaper.
> Feted in
> the West, he claimed he had resigned from the IAS on moral
> grounds.
>
> This was a deliberate falsehood, says Kak, as Mander was
> serving the
> politico-communal agenda of ActionAid, his British employer.
> Mander
> had managed a profitable deputation to ActionAid, getting
> part payment
> in pound sterling in return for scuttling a government
> enquiry into
> its communal agenda in India.
>
> Managing to ward off moves to end his deputation, Mander
> took
> voluntary retirement only on completing pensionable service.
> He sought
> retirement benefits to the tune of upto a million rupees;
> the
> Government stipulated that he cease working for ActionAid;
> he refused
> and continued demanding retirement benefits. When Kak
> publicly
> challenged the lie that he had resigned on moral grounds,
> Mander
> quickly modified his rhetoric.
>
> ActionAid's communal agenda may well be the inspiration for
> the UPA's
> Sachar Committee, and shows how foreign agendas are wormed
> into the
> topmost echelons of power. It recently initiated a study to
> sensitise
> the public and civil society activists about "the dismal
> economic,
> educational and social conditions of the Muslim masses". Of
> course,
> ActionAid conducted no similar study about Hindu survivors
> in Pakistan
> and Bangladesh.
>
> ActionAid used Mander to connect over 300 voluntary
> agencies. Its
> patronage extended to Aruna Roy of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan
> (MKSS) and National Campaign of People's Right to
> Information (NCPRI).
> The MKSS takes foreign institutional support in kind to
> evade
> reporting its funds under FCRA. The MKSS-approved Lok
> Shikshan
> Sansthan states that FCRA money can be sent to its
> founder-NGO Prayas
> or to the Roy-connected SWRC Tilonia "and it would be
> transferred to
> our organisation's account." Very interesting!
>
> Kak's research has uncovered an hitherto unknown entity
> patronised by
> Mander-ActionAid. This is the "unstructured organisation",
> which
> solicits public money but does not say if it is registered
> and how it
> banks the money. Shabnam Hashmi's ANHAD (with Mander, KN
> Panikkar and
> Shubha Mudgal) is one such body. So is the Aman Ekta Manch,
> Aman
> Samudaya, Aman Jathas, Aman Pathiks. Mander's Aashray
> Adhikar Abhiyan,
> funded by ActionAid, does not reveal the names of the core
> team of
> eleven professionals, or its accounts.
>
> The disturbing aspect of these unregistered unstructured
> organisations
> is their complete lack of accountability or legal scrutiny
> regarding
> foreign donations. Ex-IAS officers and ex-judges often
> provide
> respectability and protection to such dubious bodies in
> return for
> post-retirement sinecures. It is a vicious and dangerous
> circle.
>
> Russia learnt the hard way that unmonitored West-funded NGOs
> triggered
> the spate of revolutions in the former Soviet Republics and
> out them
> under the scanner. The majesty of the Indian state cannot
> be
> subordinated to hupny-tupny rabble-rousers funded by the
> West. The
> Government should immediately bring all activists under the
> RTI
> scalpel; this will literally scalp them.
>
>>
>--- On Sun, 28/10/12, NCPRI India <ncpri.india@gmail.com> wrote
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Radha Ranjan's new book on Gandhi's sex life
>> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>Either give some basis for these outrageous statements or withdraw it
>>otherwise we will take legal action against this website
>>
>>
>>>
>>--- On Sat, 27/10/12, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote ----
>>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Radha Ranjan's new book on Gandhi's sex life
>>> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>Dr Radha Rajan's new book on Father of the nation Mohandas bania Gandhi
>>>is released last month to rave reviews in Germany and France .Titled as
>>>Eclipse of the Hindu Nation: Gandhi and His Freedom Struggle
>>>was planned to be published in 3 versions. A watered down English
>>>version for the mass Indian market, and 2 European editions in French and German
>>>with additional startling annexures and transcripts of explosive scholarly documents
>>>these doughty researchers have located
>>>
>>>A copy of the final proof German version we obtained from the publishers is
>>> just with me from the Institute (some of the startling evidence which will please
>>>our mailing list members no end. The limited European versions was circulated to
>>>academia in April 2012, after they get the go ahead. The mass English version
>>>went on sale exactly 1 year ago
>>>
>>>2 paragraphs (tucked away in a footnote on page 637) on Aruna Roy's
>>>mother Hema's well known experiments with bania
>>>Gandhi's "truth"..Aruna's sister has spilled the beans on the nude lesbian sex
>>> orgies Hema Jairam regularly organised for the harami bania, seems the
>>>lesbian interest runs in the family blood with madam "Roy"'s dangerous liasons with
>>>Madam M being a public scandal..
>>>
>>>Will get Somu to make a textable PDF and email it so that you can Trados it.
>>>Mail a copy to Habibullah to enjoy at night..
>>>SDS
>>>
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Sun, 28/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Put NGOs under RTI scalpel , Sandhya Jain
> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 28 October, 2012, 10:49 AM
> "The Government should immediately
> bring all activists under the RTI
> scalpel; this will literally scalp them."
>
> originally posted at http://dailypioneer.com .. Aug 8,
> 2006
>
> Put NGOs under RTI scalpel
>
> Sandhya Jain
>
> The $50,000 Magsaysay Award was recently conferred upon
> Arvind
> Kejriwal, a former Indian Revenue Service officer
> campaigning for the
> Right to Information (RTI). Though several Indians have
> received this
> prize from Philippines, not many citizens are aware that
> this is
> actually an American award for Asians. Set up by the
> Rockefeller
> Brothers Foundation, most of the purse comes from the Ford
> Foundation.
>
> The citation does not say when Mr Kejriwal resigned from
> service, but
> mentions his association with Parivartan, an entity
> campaigning for
> RTI. Mr Kejriwal was in service when he was with Parivartan,
> which is
> not a registered NGO (a Society, Trust, or S.25 Company).
> Under income
> tax, it is an Association of Persons (AoP), a coming
> together of
> persons with a profit-motive so that members can share its
> income,
> unlike in a registered society. The Parivartan website
> conceals its
> AoP, barring one Manish Sisodia (part-time volunteer,
> founder-member
> and treasurer), and terms of association, yet demands a
> level of
> transparency from governmental agencies that is not in vogue
> anywhere
> in the world.
>
> In a timely study on some of India's most exalted
> conscience-keepers,
> Radha Rajan and Krishen Kak argue for public scrutiny of
> those who
> hold society or government to ransom, usually at the behest
> of foreign
> sponsors (NGOs, Activists & Foreign Funds. Anti-Nation
> Industry, Vigil
> Public Opinion Forum, 2006). Kak's meticulous research shows
> that in
> FY 2002-03, Parivartan showed receipts for Rs 2,02,489 (Rs
> 2,01,889
> are donations); the total expenditure is Rs 1,88,164, of
> which
> salaries take Rs 1,14,000. The only 'programme cost' is Rs
> 35,945 on a
> 'jan sunwai' public hearing), and the rest is standard
> administrative
> expense.
>
> However, Parivartan claims its annual fixed costs are
> approximately Rs
> six lakh, and programme costs are "partly funded through
> collections
> from the community itself including poor people and the
> shortfall is
> made good by raising funds from outside". Its website does
> not say if
> these funds are included in the receipts statement and if
> receipts are
> issued for small sums given by poor people. Yet it wants to
> make the
> Government of India accountable to itself on behalf of the
> "people of
> India".
>
> Radha Rajan argues that many high-profile NGOs serve
> America's vision
> of a post-Cold-War world order. Hence they advocate
> 'communal harmony'
> in India even as jihad batters the Hindu community, and
> promote
> 'peace' with Pakistan despite its formidable terrorist
> infrastructure.
> They are essentially political activists using social
> activism as a
> mask for their crusade against an independent nationalist
> India. Thus
> they are invariably anti-Government of India,
> anti-military,
> anti-police, anti-nuclear, and, of course, anti-Hindu.
>
> America uses the Magsaysay and other awards to legitimise
> its
> loyalists. Indian Magsaysay awardees include Mahasweta Devi
> (1997),
> Aruna Roy and Martin Macwan (2000), Sandeep Pandey (2002),
> Nirmala
> Deshpande and Admiral Ramdas (2005). Then, Praful Bidwai and
> Achin
> Vanaik received the Sean Macbride Peace Prize (2000) and
> Arundhati Roy
> the Sydney Peace Prize (2004). In neighbouring Nepal,
> journalist
> Bharat Koirala got the Magsaysay in 2002 for unleashing the
> anti-Hindu
> process there. Today, a Christian Prachanda has taken over
> the country
> by terrorising the effete political parties and the king is
> a virtual
> prisoner.
>
> Krishen Kak's expose of Harsh Mander (Scoring Against
> Paganism:
> Untangling the Manderweb) is a warning to the Government
> about the
> monetary subversion of serving officers by foreign regimes.
> In March
> 2002, Mander, an IAS officer, became an international
> celebrity when
> he attacked the communal violence in Gujarat (after 58
> Hindus were
> burnt alive at Godhra) in an article in a leading newspaper.
> Feted in
> the West, he claimed he had resigned from the IAS on moral
> grounds.
>
> This was a deliberate falsehood, says Kak, as Mander was
> serving the
> politico-communal agenda of ActionAid, his British employer.
> Mander
> had managed a profitable deputation to ActionAid, getting
> part payment
> in pound sterling in return for scuttling a government
> enquiry into
> its communal agenda in India.
>
> Managing to ward off moves to end his deputation, Mander
> took
> voluntary retirement only on completing pensionable service.
> He sought
> retirement benefits to the tune of upto a million rupees;
> the
> Government stipulated that he cease working for ActionAid;
> he refused
> and continued demanding retirement benefits. When Kak
> publicly
> challenged the lie that he had resigned on moral grounds,
> Mander
> quickly modified his rhetoric.
>
> ActionAid's communal agenda may well be the inspiration for
> the UPA's
> Sachar Committee, and shows how foreign agendas are wormed
> into the
> topmost echelons of power. It recently initiated a study to
> sensitise
> the public and civil society activists about "the dismal
> economic,
> educational and social conditions of the Muslim masses". Of
> course,
> ActionAid conducted no similar study about Hindu survivors
> in Pakistan
> and Bangladesh.
>
> ActionAid used Mander to connect over 300 voluntary
> agencies. Its
> patronage extended to Aruna Roy of the Mazdoor Kisan Shakti
> Sangathan
> (MKSS) and National Campaign of People's Right to
> Information (NCPRI).
> The MKSS takes foreign institutional support in kind to
> evade
> reporting its funds under FCRA. The MKSS-approved Lok
> Shikshan
> Sansthan states that FCRA money can be sent to its
> founder-NGO Prayas
> or to the Roy-connected SWRC Tilonia "and it would be
> transferred to
> our organisation's account." Very interesting!
>
> Kak's research has uncovered an hitherto unknown entity
> patronised by
> Mander-ActionAid. This is the "unstructured organisation",
> which
> solicits public money but does not say if it is registered
> and how it
> banks the money. Shabnam Hashmi's ANHAD (with Mander, KN
> Panikkar and
> Shubha Mudgal) is one such body. So is the Aman Ekta Manch,
> Aman
> Samudaya, Aman Jathas, Aman Pathiks. Mander's Aashray
> Adhikar Abhiyan,
> funded by ActionAid, does not reveal the names of the core
> team of
> eleven professionals, or its accounts.
>
> The disturbing aspect of these unregistered unstructured
> organisations
> is their complete lack of accountability or legal scrutiny
> regarding
> foreign donations. Ex-IAS officers and ex-judges often
> provide
> respectability and protection to such dubious bodies in
> return for
> post-retirement sinecures. It is a vicious and dangerous
> circle.
>
> Russia learnt the hard way that unmonitored West-funded NGOs
> triggered
> the spate of revolutions in the former Soviet Republics and
> out them
> under the scanner. The majesty of the Indian state cannot
> be
> subordinated to hupny-tupny rabble-rousers funded by the
> West. The
> Government should immediately bring all activists under the
> RTI
> scalpel; this will literally scalp them.
>
>>
>--- On Sun, 28/10/12, NCPRI India <ncpri.india@gmail.com> wrote
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Radha Ranjan's new book on Gandhi's sex life
>> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>Either give some basis for these outrageous statements or withdraw it
>>otherwise we will take legal action against this website
>>
>>
>>>
>>--- On Sat, 27/10/12, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote ----
>>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Radha Ranjan's new book on Gandhi's sex life
>>> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>Dr Radha Rajan's new book on Father of the nation Mohandas bania Gandhi
>>>is released last month to rave reviews in Germany and France .Titled as
>>>Eclipse of the Hindu Nation: Gandhi and His Freedom Struggle
>>>was planned to be published in 3 versions. A watered down English
>>>version for the mass Indian market, and 2 European editions in French and German
>>>with additional startling annexures and transcripts of explosive scholarly documents
>>>these doughty researchers have located
>>>
>>>A copy of the final proof German version we obtained from the publishers is
>>> just with me from the Institute (some of the startling evidence which will please
>>>our mailing list members no end. The limited European versions was circulated to
>>>academia in April 2012, after they get the go ahead. The mass English version
>>>went on sale exactly 1 year ago
>>>
>>>2 paragraphs (tucked away in a footnote on page 637) on Aruna Roy's
>>>mother Hema's well known experiments with bania
>>>Gandhi's "truth"..Aruna's sister has spilled the beans on the nude lesbian sex
>>> orgies Hema Jairam regularly organised for the harami bania, seems the
>>>lesbian interest runs in the family blood with madam "Roy"'s dangerous liasons with
>>>Madam M being a public scandal..
>>>
>>>Will get Somu to make a textable PDF and email it so that you can Trados it.
>>>Mail a copy to Habibullah to enjoy at night..
>>>SDS
>>>
Re: [HumJanenge] Spare us from mindless drivel of RTI taxi S.C.Agrawal
Off Topic. I cannot help commenting, Sarbajit, that the TOI article link which you gave is hoisted on a server based in Republic of Korea. Check link
http://geoip.flagfox.net/?ip=175.41.8.5&host=articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Considering that fact that most web hosting servers located our country offer super fast access with excellent band width at affordable prices and more importantly absolutely no data packet loss with each hop, just what is wrong with our desi server?
Manoj
--- On Sun, 10/28/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Secular-govt-no-more-gods-gift-to-foreign-MPs/articleshow/16973811.cms
>
> ... the RTI response reveals that millions of rupees were
> spent on
> putting up foreign dignitaries. All of them were flown to
> various
> parts of India and put up in five-star hotels," said
> Agrawal. "One
> fails to understand why those accompany dignitaries cannot
> be put up
> in government guesthouses."
http://geoip.flagfox.net/?ip=175.41.8.5&host=articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Considering that fact that most web hosting servers located our country offer super fast access with excellent band width at affordable prices and more importantly absolutely no data packet loss with each hop, just what is wrong with our desi server?
Manoj
--- On Sun, 10/28/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Secular-govt-no-more-gods-gift-to-foreign-MPs/articleshow/16973811.cms
>
> ... the RTI response reveals that millions of rupees were
> spent on
> putting up foreign dignitaries. All of them were flown to
> various
> parts of India and put up in five-star hotels," said
> Agrawal. "One
> fails to understand why those accompany dignitaries cannot
> be put up
> in government guesthouses."
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