[rti4empowerment] WORLD ANTICORRUPTION DAY 9TH DEC 2011

DEAR FRIENDS , 

ALL ARE WELCOME ,

         ON THE OCASSION OF "WORLD ANTI-CORRUPTION DAY" ON 9TH DEC 2011

       

                  " KARNATAKA  BRASHTACHARA  VIRODHI RANGA"

          ALONG WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OTHER ORGANISATIONS  

FIGHTING AGAINST CORRUPTION IN KARNATAKA   HOLDING  THE FOLLOWING  

PROGRAMMES AT LEGISLATURES CONFERENCE HALL 

  [ LH- CONFERENCE HALL ] -  BEHIND VIDHANA SOUDHA , BANGALORE 

                                 GROUP DISCUSSION 

                                BETWEEN  :   2-30 PM TO 5 PM    

PRESIDED BY : SRI . H.S. DORESWAMY , FREEDOM FIGHTER , BANGALORE 

                                       CONCLUDING SESSION   

                                     FROM 5-15 PM ONWARDS 

INAUGURATION   :     HONABLE JUSTICE SRI. SHYLENDRA KUMAR 

                                    HIGH COURT OF KARNATAKA , BANGALORE 

CHIEF  GUESTS   :      SRI. VAIDYANATHAN , PROFESSOR ,

                                    INDIAN INSTITUTE OF MANAGEMENT, BANGALORE 

                                     SRI . RAVINDRA RESHME , SENIOR JOURNALIST , BANGALORE 

PRESIDED BY       :     SRI.K.R.PET KRISHNA , FORMER SPEAKER , 

                                      LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

                                      GOVT OF KARNATAKA 

PLEASE  PARTICIPATE  IN LARGE NUMBER  AND MAKE THE PROGRAME SUCCESSFUL 

TO BUILD CORRUPTION FREE  INDIA 

THANK YOU 

WITH REGARDS 

KARNATAKA BRASHTACHARA VIRODHI RANGA & 

ALL THE ORGANISATIONS  FIGHTING AGAINST CORRUPTION IN KARANTAKA 

NOTE : INVITATION CARD ATTACHED / PLEASE CIRCULATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 

FOR MORE INFORMATION :PLEASE CONTACT 

Mr. M.N. SUBRAMANYA  - SOCIAL ACTIVIST -9980078705 

Mr. A.R.SHASHI KUMAR - RTI ACTIVIST -9448487427 

Smt. JAYASHREE -SOCIAL ACTIVIST -9343833168 

Re: [HumJanenge] CIC. Shailesh Gandhi tells RBI to disclose Coop. Banks' Info to Whilstleblower

 (ordinarily I would have used much stronger language which involves the oscillatory motion when a tongue is applied to an unmentionable body part) 

Great wordings!!!

Regards,

Hemant

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

This is yet another thread which shows how these NCPRI haramis (and the list gets longer each day) are out to screw the public and shaft the RTI Act simultaneously. .

The only reason sarkari chamchas (ordinarily I would have used much stronger language which involves the oscillatory motion when a tongue is applied to an unmentionable body part) like SG are where they are is because of their quisling status.

Sarbajit

From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>

 

This CIC order has been "stayed" by the Delhi HC.
Please see the last post in this thread:
http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/84691-inspection-reports-apex-cooperative-banks-have-disclosed.html

RTIwanted

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[HumJanenge] CIC. Shailesh Gandhi tells RBI to disclose Coop. Banks' Info to Whilstleblower

This is yet another thread which shows how these NCPRI haramis (and the list gets longer each day) are out to screw the public and shaft the RTI Act simultaneously. .

The only reason sarkari chamchas (ordinarily I would have used much stronger language which involves the oscillatory motion when a tongue is applied to an unmentionable body part) like SG are where they are is because of their quisling status.

Sarbajit

From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>

 

This CIC order has been "stayed" by the Delhi HC.
Please see the last post in this thread:
http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/84691-inspection-reports-apex-cooperative-banks-have-disclosed.html

RTIwanted

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FILING APPLICATION PR REQUEST WITHOUT GIVING REASONS

This will clear the doubt of all:

The Nodal Officer,

Central Information Commission,

Old JNU Campus,

New Delhi-110067.

5.11.2011.

 

Sub: Information under RTI Act, 2005.

 

Ref:    My request dated 25.9.2011 sent on 26.9.11 by speed post to Shri Satyananda Mishra, Chief Information Commissioner.

 

Sir,

 

          In my compliant number CIC/AD/C/2010/000144, Mrs. Annapurna Dixit has out rightly rejected my application for taking action against Shri D K Das, PIO (now Retd), NSD, All India Radio for submitting false affidavits before the IC and has also registered two false FIR/NCS with the Delhi Police falsely declaring that the file has been lost and therefore, information cannot be provided.

2.       In this regard, I request you to inform furnish the following information:

i.        The status of my aforesaid request sent to the Chief IC.

          ii        If my request to make a complaint to the First Class Magistrate for the perjury committed by the CPIO has been rejected, please provide the file notings arriving at this decision.

3.       I am enclosing a copy of my aforesaid request.

4.                 I am enclosing IPO for Rs. 10/- numbering ___________ as RTI fee. 

 

 

 

FURTHER INFORMATION FOR YOU-

 

Giving False statement on oath is a crime. You can recourse to file an application and with the PA as well as with the Information Commission (with copy to the police) stating that you intend to proceed with a criminal complaint against the erring PIO (who gave false affidavit on oath) and request the PA as well as Information commission to follow their duty under law to proceed to inquire further into the matter and file a complaint with the magistrate within a reasonable time under Section 193, 196, 209, 211, 463 and 471 of Indian Penal Code read with the provisions of 340 Cr PC. PA/SIC or CIC that by not following the procedure, they are ventilation the law where a public functionary is duty bound to report the matter to the court of Magistrate of appropriate jurisdiction.

 

It may be mentioned here that the offenses mentioned in Section 195 (1)(b) Cr PC the Court cannot take cognizance except on the complaint to the said court by the aggrieved person. Section 193 IPC and various related sections of IPC like 193 to 196, 199, 200, 205 to 211 (both inclusive) and 228, 463 and related sections, the Court only takes cognizance if the aggrieved party (State or the complainant) comes forward and it is pertinent to mention herein that the Court (read here the Commission too) in whose proceedings a false claim or false document has been submitted does not take any action suo-moto, so the aggrieved person has to show and come forward to prove that the other party has in fact stated false facts and has in fact given or submitted false evidence in relation to Court Proceedings. It is also pointed out that if you choose to file a criminal complaint, you have to be present in the court on all the hearings. You absence even in a single hearing will dismiss the case. So, it is always better that the State/Police may file the complaint.

 

It is most respectfully submitted that under Section 340 clause 1 sub clause (a) to (e) prescribes a procedure wherein the Court after a preliminary inquiry forwards the complaint to the Magistrate. Herein preliminary inquiry means that the concerned court hears both the parties i.e. the complainant/aggrieved party and the party who is purported to have stated false facts and may either dismiss the complaint under Section 340 Cr PC or may record a finding to that effect and forward it to the magistrate:

 

a) Record a finding to that effect;

(b) Make a complaint thereof in writing;

(c) Send it to a Magistrate of the first class having jurisdiction;

If u want, I may send the copy of my aforesaid complaint dated 25.9.11 to CCIC.

Thanks, Sarbajit ji.

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Dear Guptaji

I am very confused

1) You filed a REQUEST (??) to the "Chief Information" (??)

2) The Information you sought concerns rejection of your
"complaint" (for perjury) to the First Class Magistrate. So why should
CIC have it ???

3) What "Competent Authority" do you refer to ?

4) Why should CIC take a decision on your complaint to a Magistrate ?

Sarbajit

On Dec 4, 7:45 pm, "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> I
> submitted an RTIapplication to the Central Information Commission for
> giving information on the status of my request sent to the Chief Information
> and (ii) if my request has been rejected, to provide the file notings arriving
> at that decision.
>
> In
> reply to the above, I received a reply from Shri Dhirendra Kumar, CPIO stating
> (i) your request has been filed and (ii) the nothing relating to the rejection
> of your complaint to the First Class Magistrate for the perjury is not
> available in our record.
>
> I am curious
> to know whether any request should be filed without any making noting and taking
> informed decision to file the same silently.   The statement that "the notings relating to the rejection to your
> complaint to the first class Magistrate for the perjury is not available in our
> record" means no noting or noting may be in the record of some other
> unit/deptt.
>
> Can a
> request or application should be just filed by the subordinate staff without
> taking a decision or written direction by the Competent Authority?  Even if the Competent Authority has just
> written "file" on the application, should it not be informed and copy be
> provided to the applicant?
>
> Whether
> something further can be done in the case to know the reason of inaction on my application.  In such a case, whether first appeal
> should be filed and if so, what should be the grounds?
>
> I shall be grateful for your
> valuable guidance.

[HumJanenge] Re: FILING APPLICATION PR REQUEST WITHOUT GIVING REASONS

Dear Guptaji

I am very confused

1) You filed a REQUEST (??) to the "Chief Information" (??)

2) The Information you sought concerns rejection of your
"complaint" (for perjury) to the First Class Magistrate. So why should
CIC have it ???

3) What "Competent Authority" do you refer to ?

4) Why should CIC take a decision on your complaint to a Magistrate ?

Sarbajit

On Dec 4, 7:45 pm, "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> I
> submitted an RTIapplication to the Central Information Commission for
> giving information on the status of my request sent to the Chief Information
> and (ii) if my request has been rejected, to provide the file notings arriving
> at that decision.
>
> In
> reply to the above, I received a reply from Shri Dhirendra Kumar, CPIO stating
> (i) your request has been filed and (ii) the nothing relating to the rejection
> of your complaint to the First Class Magistrate for the perjury is not
> available in our record.
>
> I am curious
> to know whether any request should be filed without any making noting and taking
> informed decision to file the same silently.   The statement that "the notings relating to the rejection to your
> complaint to the first class Magistrate for the perjury is not available in our
> record" means no noting or noting may be in the record of some other
> unit/deptt.
>
> Can a
> request or application should be just filed by the subordinate staff without
> taking a decision or written direction by the Competent Authority?  Even if the Competent Authority has just
> written "file" on the application, should it not be informed and copy be
> provided to the applicant?
>
> Whether
> something further can be done in the case to know the reason of inaction on my application.  In such a case, whether first appeal
> should be filed and if so, what should be the grounds?
>
> I shall be grateful for your
> valuable guidance.

[HumJanenge] FILING APPLICATION PR REQUEST WITHOUT GIVING REASONS

I submitted an RTI application to the Central Information Commission for giving information on the status of my request sent to the Chief Information and (ii) if my request has been rejected, to provide the file notings arriving at that decision.

 

In reply to the above, I received a reply from Shri Dhirendra Kumar, CPIO stating (i) your request has been filed and (ii) the nothing relating to the rejection of your complaint to the First Class Magistrate for the perjury is not available in our record.

 

I am curious to know whether any request should be filed without any making noting and taking informed decision to file the same silently.   The statement that "the notings relating to the rejection to your complaint to the first class Magistrate for the perjury is not available in our record" means no noting or noting may be in the record of some other unit/deptt.

 

Can a request or application should be just filed by the subordinate staff without taking a decision or written direction by the Competent Authority?  Even if the Competent Authority has just written "file" on the application, should it not be informed and copy be provided to the applicant?

 

Whether something further can be done in the case to know the reason of inaction on my application.  In such a case, whether first appeal should be filed and if so, what should be the grounds?

 

I shall be grateful for your valuable guidance.

Re: [HumJanenge] WHAT IS OUR PROBLEM ?

It is very difficult to handle politicians in a democracy. On certain account they may be criminals but on certain areas they r also popular in their constituency. In their area of influence they do some good work also so they get votes in that area. At times they protect people from the high handedness of police n bureaucrats hence they become popular like certain decoits in olden times became darlings of the people.The negative voting can be one part of the solution.

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] WHAT IS OUR PROBLEM ?

Very well said. What is the way out? Galvanizing Public Opinion – but How? The latest is the move to push up MPs in the Roll of Precedence, including bringing MPs at par with Chief Justice of High Court ! A large number of MPs have Criminal background, and even those convicted are 'hosted' by State under Section 8(4) of Representation of People Act 1951. Surely both the Houses of Parliament will demonstrate OBEDIENCE as Peoples' representatives reflecting latter's will ! What is the way out?

 

            Regards,

                 KN

 

 

 

 

 

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Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.	:	Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ), Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
Address	:	`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh , India
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From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto: humjanenge@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Devasahayam MG
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:39 PM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com ; karmayog.org; psn.1946
Subject: [HumJanenge] WHAT IS OUR PROBLEM ?