Monday, November 28, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

And the Hand of GOI which have directed all the money to Italy....

Only Lotus is the hope in this filth.....


From: jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

stay away from them, do not even vote for them, they r not ur leaders but ur enemies who have eaten all ur hard earned money like the elephant of UP.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

If a citizen is dissatisfied with the State, he can do the following

1) do nothing
2) swallow his anger
3) pick up his pen and dash off a missive
4) pick up his chappal and slap the offender
5) pick up his bow and arrow and shoot the offender
6) pick up his knife and stab the offender
7) pick up a gun and shoot the offender
8) pick up his bomb and blow the offender to kingdom come

Oh and I forgot,
9) courtesy Aruna Roy and Arvind Kejriwal they can waste Rs.10 by filing an RTI
10) Courtesy Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal they can complain to the Lokpal.

The only options which are not a complete waste of time are 1), 2), 5), 6), 7) and 8)

Sarbajit

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Its unfortunately an exruciatingly slow process,to begin with,but can get accelerasted as the time passes.
Unlike in the past,wildfire effecte could be created through uce of ICT.Some agencies specialise in this work.
Succintly the message to be conveyed has to be drafted(best done in consultative manner and even then pilot-tested) and got circulated.If it catches the fancy of popular electronic media,so much the better.Perseverence is the name of the game for assued success.
There're teething troubles,as usual for pioneers,and that shouldn't deter the people committed to lofty causes.
spm

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Rahul Gandhi has been instigating people to show their anger towards mismanagement and corruption in UP ever since he embarked on his election campaign from Phulpur a few days ago. The question is how can a common man show his anger in this context.
On the same day, when Rahul was going to address the rally, some students tried to approach him and hand him a memorandum. They were not only stopped from doing so but even kicked and manhandled by not one but by four responsible central ministers for this act, although heavy security guard provided to protect Rahul was there to protect him. Thus the common man is not allowed to come anywhere near their leaders to express their grievance (let aside anger). The said four ministers are sitting safe in Parliament and the court has exempted them from arrest. Not a word was discussed in Parliament on this.
Only yesterday, a common man slapped Sharad Pawar to show his anger against rising prices. He was not only arrested but charged with a no. of offences and put in jail for fourteen days. The parliament spent a full session today (25/11/2011) deprecating his act and did not carry out any other business.
In the past when Kiran Bedi etc said some words affecting respectability of parliamentary members, some members decided to move a privilage motion against her.
Also in the past, when some common man threw a chappel towards an elected representative, he was badly handled.
In none of the above cases was it known that they wanted to physically assault the said elected representatives. They were only showing their anger against them.
In yet olden times, people used to show their anger by throwing rotten tomatoes. This is now not possible because of the strict security search carried out before any common man goes to attend any elected representatives rally.
I invite suggestions from members as to what is the best way of showing anger against elected representatives by a common man. I fact, I would like Rahul Gandhi to clarify the people he addresses in this matter.
mksinghal
 






Sunday, November 27, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

Why single out only 'Elephant' in U P? What about 'Hand' (Congress), 'Kamal' (BJP) who bigger looters?
 

From: jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

stay away from them, do not even vote for them, they r not ur leaders but ur enemies who have eaten all ur hard earned money like the elephant of UP.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

If a citizen is dissatisfied with the State, he can do the following

1) do nothing
2) swallow his anger
3) pick up his pen and dash off a missive
4) pick up his chappal and slap the offender
5) pick up his bow and arrow and shoot the offender
6) pick up his knife and stab the offender
7) pick up a gun and shoot the offender
8) pick up his bomb and blow the offender to kingdom come

Oh and I forgot,
9) courtesy Aruna Roy and Arvind Kejriwal they can waste Rs.10 by filing an RTI
10) Courtesy Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal they can complain to the Lokpal.

The only options which are not a complete waste of time are 1), 2), 5), 6), 7) and 8)

Sarbajit

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Its unfortunately an exruciatingly slow process,to begin with,but can get accelerasted as the time passes.
Unlike in the past,wildfire effecte could be created through uce of ICT.Some agencies specialise in this work.
Succintly the message to be conveyed has to be drafted(best done in consultative manner and even then pilot-tested) and got circulated.If it catches the fancy of popular electronic media,so much the better.Perseverence is the name of the game for assued success.
There're teething troubles,as usual for pioneers,and that shouldn't deter the people committed to lofty causes.
spm

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Rahul Gandhi has been instigating people to show their anger towards mismanagement and corruption in UP ever since he embarked on his election campaign from Phulpur a few days ago. The question is how can a common man show his anger in this context.
On the same day, when Rahul was going to address the rally, some students tried to approach him and hand him a memorandum. They were not only stopped from doing so but even kicked and manhandled by not one but by four responsible central ministers for this act, although heavy security guard provided to protect Rahul was there to protect him. Thus the common man is not allowed to come anywhere near their leaders to express their grievance (let aside anger). The said four ministers are sitting safe in Parliament and the court has exempted them from arrest. Not a word was discussed in Parliament on this.
Only yesterday, a common man slapped Sharad Pawar to show his anger against rising prices. He was not only arrested but charged with a no. of offences and put in jail for fourteen days. The parliament spent a full session today (25/11/2011) deprecating his act and did not carry out any other business.
In the past when Kiran Bedi etc said some words affecting respectability of parliamentary members, some members decided to move a privilage motion against her.
Also in the past, when some common man threw a chappel towards an elected representative, he was badly handled.
In none of the above cases was it known that they wanted to physically assault the said elected representatives. They were only showing their anger against them.
In yet olden times, people used to show their anger by throwing rotten tomatoes. This is now not possible because of the strict security search carried out before any common man goes to attend any elected representatives rally.
I invite suggestions from members as to what is the best way of showing anger against elected representatives by a common man. I fact, I would like Rahul Gandhi to clarify the people he addresses in this matter.
mksinghal
 






Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

Our Democracy is worse than the benevolent dictatorship. Whomever you
elect follows the same path.
MYTHOTE

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM, jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> stay away from them, do not even vote for them, they r not ur leaders but ur
> enemies who have eaten all ur hard earned money like the elephant of UP.
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against
> elected politicians?
>
> If a citizen is dissatisfied with the State, he can do the following
>
> 1) do nothing
> 2) swallow his anger
> 3) pick up his pen and dash off a missive
> 4) pick up his chappal and slap the offender
> 5) pick up his bow and arrow and shoot the offender
> 6) pick up his knife and stab the offender
> 7) pick up a gun and shoot the offender
> 8) pick up his bomb and blow the offender to kingdom come
>
> Oh and I forgot,
> 9) courtesy Aruna Roy and Arvind Kejriwal they can waste Rs.10 by filing an
> RTI
> 10) Courtesy Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal they can complain to the
> Lokpal.
>
> The only options which are not a complete waste of time are 1), 2), 5), 6),
> 7) and 8)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Its unfortunately an exruciatingly slow process,to begin with,but can get
> accelerasted as the time passes.
> Unlike in the past,wildfire effecte could be created through uce of ICT.Some
> agencies specialise in this work.
> Succintly the message to be conveyed has to be drafted(best done in
> consultative manner and even then pilot-tested) and got circulated.If it
> catches the fancy of popular electronic media,so much the
> better.Perseverence is the name of the game for assued success.
> There're teething troubles,as usual for pioneers,and that shouldn't deter
> the people committed to lofty causes.
> spm
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Rahul Gandhi has been instigating people to show their anger towards
> mismanagement and corruption in UP ever since he embarked on his election
> campaign from Phulpur a few days ago. The question is how can a common man
> show his anger in this context.
> On the same day, when Rahul was going to address the rally, some students
> tried to approach him and hand him a memorandum. They were not only stopped
> from doing so but even kicked and manhandled by not one but by four
> responsible central ministers for this act, although heavy security guard
> provided to protect Rahul was there to protect him. Thus the common man is
> not allowed to come anywhere near their leaders to express their grievance
> (let aside anger). The said four ministers are sitting safe in Parliament
> and the court has exempted them from arrest. Not a word was discussed in
> Parliament on this.
> Only yesterday, a common man slapped Sharad Pawar to show his anger against
> rising prices. He was not only arrested but charged with a no. of offences
> and put in jail for fourteen days. The parliament spent a full session today
> (25/11/2011) deprecating his act and did not carry out any other business.
> In the past when Kiran Bedi etc said some words affecting respectability of
> parliamentary members, some members decided to move a privilage motion
> against her.
> Also in the past, when some common man threw a chappel towards an elected
> representative, he was badly handled.
> In none of the above cases was it known that they wanted to physically
> assault the said elected representatives. They were only showing their anger
> against them.
> In yet olden times, people used to show their anger by throwing rotten
> tomatoes. This is now not possible because of the strict security search
> carried out before any common man goes to attend any elected representatives
> rally.
> I invite suggestions from members as to what is the best way of showing
> anger against elected representatives by a common man. I fact, I would like
> Rahul Gandhi to clarify the people he addresses in this matter.
> mksinghal
>
>
>
>
>

[HumJanenge] Dillydallying treat to hearing of cases at Orissa Information Commission- How to remedy it?

                     Dillydallying treat to hearing of cases at Orissa Information Commission- How to remedy it? 

 

Dear friends

On 22.7.2011 I had been to the office of the Orissa Information Commission to attend hearing of a complaint case. I reached at 10.50 AM, filled up Hazira and submitted it in the reception counter.  Thus I myself ready  to attend the hearing of my case by Mr. Tarun Kanti Mishra, State Chief Information Commissioner. It  had already struck 11 0'clock. The hearing of the cases in the office of all Information Commissioners had already started, except, to my surprise, in the office of Mr. Jagadanand, State Information Commissioner.  It needs to be mentioned here that the Commission has fixed 11 0'clock as the time to start hearing of the cases.  But to my wonder I noticed that several complainants including some previously known to me, after duly submitting their hazira were hanging around hither and thither in the corridor of the Commission. I asked them, "What is the matter? And what is the purpose of your visit?" All of them replied that they were waiting for Mr. Jagadanand, SIC who had not arrived yet. By that time, it was already 11.10 AM, and I also kept waiting along with those complainant friends. Around 11.25 AM I found the vehicle  of Mr. Jagadanand speeding fast into the Commission's office.  From his vehicle he rushed hurriedly to his office and  took the seat  to start the hearing. As I noticed, he first started reading the case himself  for a few minutes  to understand the case. By that time it had struck 11. 35 AM, and then only he started hearing of the case.

 

Out of my curiosity to know the cause of his  delay in coming for the hearing, I  on enquiry  got to know from Commission's office that Mr.  Jagadanad had been to CYSD to deliver his speech as a guest speaker  at the meeting organized in CYSD and therefore got late.

 

This is not a solitary instance of Commissioners getting late in attending to the hearing of cases, and the complainants getting consequently harassed for no fault of theirs.  It has become almost a regular practice on the part of the Information Commissioners in making delay in arrival at the Commission's office and delayed start of hearing of the cases. To a layman, there is no difference between Commissioners and bureaucrats in the matter of being unpunctual in attending their respective offices.   In contrast, I have noticed that the Commissioners at Central Information Commission do attend the hearing of the cases  exactly at 10 o'clock the time officially fixed for the purpose. But, peculiarly enough, here in Orissa, the Information Commission has fixed  11 AM as the time for  starting the hearing session. The logic cited by the office of the Commission in support of such delayed time-schedule is that the paper works are being done during the first hour from 10 AM to 11 AM. But the question remains, can the office work be deferred to the last hour of every working day, say between 4 to 5 PM. Then, the Information Commissioners of Orissa will have to come to the office sharp at 10 0'clock, just as the Commissioners at Centre and in States are doing.

 

As I know, Mr. Jagadanand is a habitual late comer.  He devotes the prime time of the day in attending so-called seminars and workshops  as Guest Speaker organized by this or that NGO on issues, which may not be directly connected to RTI.  But a simple question haunts me all the time-  are we  the tax paying citizens paying him a salary of about  Rs. 1, 50,000/-  per month to attend the seminars and workshops of his choice, neglecting his statutory duty of hearing the cases of complainants and appellants?  . 

 

A question may pop up in the minds of some people as to why we the RTI activists are raising this issue at all. It may seem  a silly matter to them. But, is it a silly matter? Certainly not.  As  a matter of fact, the casualness and inefficiency of  Orissa Information Commissioners has resulted in pending of more than 15,000 cases with  the Commission. On an average the Commission is taking more than 3 years to dispose a case.  Because of the inordinately prolonged delay in hearing of the cases, the complainants are getting frustrated, feeling hopeless and consequently losing their faith on RTI Act itself. Since inception of the Commission  the civil society organisations and RTI activists have been   demanding a quick disposal of the cases, and appealing to the Commission to devote most of their time to hearing of the cases, which is their primary and statutory duty. But, to our dismay, the Commission has ever since moving in a negative mode. Earlier, the Commissioners used to  hear cases  six days in a week. But now it has been reduced to five days only. Saturday is virtually a holiday for them.

 

However, to image themselves as efficient Commissioners in terms of disposal of cases, they have adopted a novel, but nasty ploy i.e. remanding the pending cases to the concerned 1st Appellate Authorities, without hearing the cases themselves.    As a result of this, large numbers of complainants and appellants are being denied justice and as well the concerned information, the subject matter of their grievance.  Moreover, the Commission in course of their direction ask the complainants to approach the Commission again with  a fresh complaint in the event of re-denial of information by the concerned PIO and appellate authority.

 

As expected, the Commission having gained functional experience over the years  should  hear and dispose larger number of cases to cut down the pendency.    But, it is a matter of regret that  number of cases being heard by the Commission gets reduced day by day.  Earlier the Commissioners were hearing 18 to 20 cases, which were as such a meager number. But as of now, the Information Commissioners hear merely 8 to 10 cases per day.  The lethargy of the Commissioners has  destroyed the hope of the people for seeking justice from the Commission. 

 

At the other end of the spectrum we find that each Information Commissioner receives about 1.5 lakh rupees per month, that is, about Rs.5,000/- per day, which is about 50 times the daily wage of an NREGA worker. But the service rendered by the Commissioners in lieu of this hefty salary is out and out substandard. Even it can be termed as daylight cheating and misuse of the public money.  It is also seen than the Commissioners, projecting themselves as highly learned persons, are  in the habit of delivering high-sounding speeches about the rights and duties of the citizens. But, genuinely speaking, is their performance worth learned persons.  It has become a mania with  some Commissioners decorate the dais of the workshops and seminars to guest speakers, though neglecting their statutory duty to  deliver justice to the aggrieved people.  

 

What the Commission should do?

As more than 15000 cases are pending with the Commission, it should be first and foremost duty of the Commission  to  clear the huge pendency by way of devoting more time to  hearing and disposing the cases and thereby giving proper justice to the Complainants and appellants. The Commission should remember that mere disposal of the cases without giving opportunity of hearing to the complainants and appellants or without understanding their concerns and interests is bound to prove counter-productive against the RTI Act itself .

 

a.       Prior to attending the hearing, the Commissioners should do their homework by way of thoroughly reading the cases and getting updated thereon. The wrongful practice of the Commissioners spending 10 to 15 minutes for going through  a case at the start of the hearing, must be jettisoned forthwith. This practice kills away the time  of the parties and also delays the hearing and disposal of a case. Further, the eagerness of the Commissioners to finish the hearing even without understanding the situation and concerns of the complainants in respect of his grievance is also unwarranted.

 

b.      Hearing of the case should start at 10 AM every day except Sunday and Govt.  Holidays.   The hearing should continue up to 5 PM, and if circumstances so require, up to 6 PM with a lunch break for an hour in between.  The Commission should write the decision at the end of each  hearing  and hand over a  copy of it on the same day to the concerned parties.  All the Commissioners need to be computer-literate and put in place a proper internet arrangement in the office of the Commission, accessible by the common visitors. It is more important than setting up a CCTV unit in the office of the Commission.

 

c.       Like Central Information Commission, the Orissa Commission should go for audio and video hearing of the case. This system needs to be put in place as quickly as possible.  Engaging so many adhoc staff and several security guards is not at all required in the office of the Commission. These unnecessary expenses can be checked and the  funds so saved  can be utilized for developing the e-system in a full-fledged manner, so as to serve quick and proper justice to the citizens.

 

d.      The huge  pendency  demands daylong hearing of cases for their disposal.    The Commissioners shouldn't be so fussy about maintaining elaborate office paraphernalia while dealing with the administrative matters. To deal the administrative matters, a good number of the staff have been engaged in the office. The Commission should devote less time for administrative work, but more time in disposal of the cases. Otherwise, the way the pendency is rising, the people would soon lose their faith not only on Commission but also on RTI Act itself. It needs to be remembered,  if RTI loses its ground, a transparent and accountable system of governance system will ever remain a day dream in the state. The history will not excuse the killers and betrayers of RTI.

 

e.       All the case-related correspondence with the people should be made in Oriya, as the common people in Orissa cann't understand orders and notices of Commission written in English. When Orissa has become Odisha, it is absolutely desirable on the part of the Commission to continue correspondence with the people of the State only in Odia.

 

Regards

Pradip Pradhan

Date- 25.11.2011

 

Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

stay away from them, do not even vote for them, they r not ur leaders but ur enemies who have eaten all ur hard earned money like the elephant of UP.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

If a citizen is dissatisfied with the State, he can do the following

1) do nothing
2) swallow his anger
3) pick up his pen and dash off a missive
4) pick up his chappal and slap the offender
5) pick up his bow and arrow and shoot the offender
6) pick up his knife and stab the offender
7) pick up a gun and shoot the offender
8) pick up his bomb and blow the offender to kingdom come

Oh and I forgot,
9) courtesy Aruna Roy and Arvind Kejriwal they can waste Rs.10 by filing an RTI
10) Courtesy Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal they can complain to the Lokpal.

The only options which are not a complete waste of time are 1), 2), 5), 6), 7) and 8)

Sarbajit

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Its unfortunately an exruciatingly slow process,to begin with,but can get accelerasted as the time passes.
Unlike in the past,wildfire effecte could be created through uce of ICT.Some agencies specialise in this work.
Succintly the message to be conveyed has to be drafted(best done in consultative manner and even then pilot-tested) and got circulated.If it catches the fancy of popular electronic media,so much the better.Perseverence is the name of the game for assued success.
There're teething troubles,as usual for pioneers,and that shouldn't deter the people committed to lofty causes.
spm

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Rahul Gandhi has been instigating people to show their anger towards mismanagement and corruption in UP ever since he embarked on his election campaign from Phulpur a few days ago. The question is how can a common man show his anger in this context.
On the same day, when Rahul was going to address the rally, some students tried to approach him and hand him a memorandum. They were not only stopped from doing so but even kicked and manhandled by not one but by four responsible central ministers for this act, although heavy security guard provided to protect Rahul was there to protect him. Thus the common man is not allowed to come anywhere near their leaders to express their grievance (let aside anger). The said four ministers are sitting safe in Parliament and the court has exempted them from arrest. Not a word was discussed in Parliament on this.
Only yesterday, a common man slapped Sharad Pawar to show his anger against rising prices. He was not only arrested but charged with a no. of offences and put in jail for fourteen days. The parliament spent a full session today (25/11/2011) deprecating his act and did not carry out any other business.
In the past when Kiran Bedi etc said some words affecting respectability of parliamentary members, some members decided to move a privilage motion against her.
Also in the past, when some common man threw a chappel towards an elected representative, he was badly handled.
In none of the above cases was it known that they wanted to physically assault the said elected representatives. They were only showing their anger against them.
In yet olden times, people used to show their anger by throwing rotten tomatoes. This is now not possible because of the strict security search carried out before any common man goes to attend any elected representatives rally.
I invite suggestions from members as to what is the best way of showing anger against elected representatives by a common man. I fact, I would like Rahul Gandhi to clarify the people he addresses in this matter.
mksinghal
 




Re: [HumJanenge] How can a common man show his anger against elected politicians?

If a citizen is dissatisfied with the State, he can do the following

1) do nothing
2) swallow his anger
3) pick up his pen and dash off a missive
4) pick up his chappal and slap the offender
5) pick up his bow and arrow and shoot the offender
6) pick up his knife and stab the offender
7) pick up a gun and shoot the offender
8) pick up his bomb and blow the offender to kingdom come

Oh and I forgot,
9) courtesy Aruna Roy and Arvind Kejriwal they can waste Rs.10 by filing an RTI
10) Courtesy Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal they can complain to the Lokpal.

The only options which are not a complete waste of time are 1), 2), 5), 6), 7) and 8)

Sarbajit

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Its unfortunately an exruciatingly slow process,to begin with,but can get accelerasted as the time passes.
Unlike in the past,wildfire effecte could be created through uce of ICT.Some agencies specialise in this work.
Succintly the message to be conveyed has to be drafted(best done in consultative manner and even then pilot-tested) and got circulated.If it catches the fancy of popular electronic media,so much the better.Perseverence is the name of the game for assued success.
There're teething troubles,as usual for pioneers,and that shouldn't deter the people committed to lofty causes.
spm

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Rahul Gandhi has been instigating people to show their anger towards mismanagement and corruption in UP ever since he embarked on his election campaign from Phulpur a few days ago. The question is how can a common man show his anger in this context.
On the same day, when Rahul was going to address the rally, some students tried to approach him and hand him a memorandum. They were not only stopped from doing so but even kicked and manhandled by not one but by four responsible central ministers for this act, although heavy security guard provided to protect Rahul was there to protect him. Thus the common man is not allowed to come anywhere near their leaders to express their grievance (let aside anger). The said four ministers are sitting safe in Parliament and the court has exempted them from arrest. Not a word was discussed in Parliament on this.
Only yesterday, a common man slapped Sharad Pawar to show his anger against rising prices. He was not only arrested but charged with a no. of offences and put in jail for fourteen days. The parliament spent a full session today (25/11/2011) deprecating his act and did not carry out any other business.
In the past when Kiran Bedi etc said some words affecting respectability of parliamentary members, some members decided to move a privilage motion against her.
Also in the past, when some common man threw a chappel towards an elected representative, he was badly handled.
In none of the above cases was it known that they wanted to physically assault the said elected representatives. They were only showing their anger against them.
In yet olden times, people used to show their anger by throwing rotten tomatoes. This is now not possible because of the strict security search carried out before any common man goes to attend any elected representatives rally.
I invite suggestions from members as to what is the best way of showing anger against elected representatives by a common man. I fact, I would like Rahul Gandhi to clarify the people he addresses in this matter.
mksinghal
 


Re: [HumJanenge] What is happening to the IC voted as the "best" by this group ?

Dear Guptaji

The URL link I sent you contains all the information you have asked for.

My objection to PCRF's survey was because it was unscientific (unlike the one we conducted). I believe. PROFESSOR M.M. Ansari had also made similar observations about the PCRF survey. I cannot comment on his views on our poll (where he fared the worst).

The poll I am referring to where MLS got the most votes was conducted 2 years ago and you would have definitely got an intimation to vote on the same at [RTI_India] yahoogroups.

We cannot conduct a similar poll on HJ as Googlegroups has no such facility (unlike Yahoogroups which does)

Sarbajit

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:45 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Can Sarbajit ji u inform how many votes were polled and the votes each IC got?

I remember last time when many members, probabily you also, opposed such an exercise taken by PCRF of Shri Arvind Kejriwal.

In the poll, it would have been better if the opinions of the members of Hum Janenge groups should have been taken.

U R stating that I also had full voting rights but when I am not aware of such an exercise, how can I cast my vote.

Have u put some email on the Hum Janenge about the opinion poll? If so, please inform the date of that mail.

Only who are at the bottom of popularity need such certification from the RTI's activists. 

I demand fresh poll with more voters. 


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What is happening to the IC voted as the "best" by this group ?

Dear Guptaji

The group which publicly voted on this question (and in which you also had full voting rights) is [RTI_INDIA] . Please see this thread

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rti_india/message/4781

I opine if a similar poll is conducted today that CIC(SM) would have improved his "score" significantly and IC(AD)'s would have gone down even further.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:42 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Shri MLS and best IC! Why r u joking?  Which group has conferred this award and before conferring the award, whether it has taken the opinion of the members of that group. 

I can site many erroneous decisions by him against the Delhi Development Authority. It is a separate matter that I have not challenged them the the High Court but this fact does not mean that the appellants are satisfied with his decisions.  In many deserving cases, he had never penalized the CPIO.

In the past, he used to start proceedings by making remark targetting the Appellant whether if wants to eat the mangoes or want to count the seed (Gutali). (Aam khane se matlab hai yaa gutali ginne se). Tell me your grievance and that would be settled implying do not press for the information.

I brought this to the knowledge to the then CCIC, Mr. Wajahat Habibullah by sending a letter/ email and after that this phrase was not repeated before me in the subsequent hearings. 

Respondent to my complaint to the CCIC, MLS refused to hear one of my appeal against DDA and recommended for its transfer to CCIC which was later on heard by some other Shri Shailesh Gandhi, IC. In fact, I was happy on this decision of Shri MLS.  However, I cound not attend the hearing in that case as have not received the notice of hearing due to change of my address.