Sunday, July 17, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Full penalty for 4 CPIOs on one RTI application

Dear Guptaji

The IC is not "tough", he is corrupt. This so called "efficiency" is the hallmark of corrupt public servants. Where is he implementing RTI Act even in "letter" ? I have quoted the letter from his own order which he is flouting.

FYI I am not the only person saying such things. For example on HJ-YG one Mr Vishas Bhamburkar has posted (and fought with the IC-SG fan club / shouting brigade led by Bhaskar Prabhu). You may contrast his views with your own.

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/HumJanenge/message/26919

"No point in clogging  up everyone's mailboxes and irritating the Shailesh Gandhi Fan Club Members who are taking such efforts to convert this person with feet of clay into a demi-God, if not God himself.

I stand by my view that my cases were a massacre of justice before Mr. Shailesh Gandhi and I see no point in appearing before him again. One information Commissioner's contribution to the death of the RTI Act.

Best Regards,

Vishwas"

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/HumJanenge/message/26888

"While I agree with Samir on all other matters, I have serious reservations on  point 1. Having attended 2 hearings before Mr. Shailesh Gandhi, I feel the  effort is more to clear cases rather than look at case in perspective and  thereafter take a decision. There is a general feeling of urgency and hurry and  the situation and atmosphere created is that of 'please say what you want - FAST - and kindly leave.' While this will certainly help in reduced pendency, will it  give justice to an application who has fine not1st, but a 2nd Appeal? I am sure  any applicant showing such tenacity needs to be treated better than cows or  sheep who are herded.

In one case, the Public Authority claimed that they were not a Public Authority during the time of the 2nd Appeal (not before that). Earlier the PIO and the FAA  had written back as the PIO & the FAA. Yet Shailesh Gandhi asked me if I had any
documents to show that they were a Public Authority. When I answered in the negative, the case was dismissed.

In the second instance, The Public Authority first claimed that they were not covered under the RTIA. This was disproved. Then they questioned my credentials. I countered this by saying that this forum was the wrong place to raise the  point and they could approach the relevant authorities for any complaint that
they had against me. Then, they claimed that CIC had no jurisdiction. Again the same thing; I was asked for documents to prove that it came in the CIC's  jurisdiction and when I didn't have any, the case was dismissed. My simple  question is - does the CIC itself not know whether the case comes in their
jurisdiction? And if it didn't why was it taken up in the first place?

Thereafter, if there is any matter that might go up to Mr. Shailesh Gandhi in course of the 2nd Appeal, I choose not to file a 2nd Appeal and let it go. Shailesh Gandhi has less pendency and people get one more reason to praise him.

On the other hand, my experience with Ms. Annapurna Dixit is totally different. There is an effort taken to get the applicant to feel comfortable. Ample time is  given to understand all aspects of the matter. The whole case is viewed in  perspective. And even if the decision goes against the applicant (though it has
not happened in my case yet) the feeling is that the applicant is not made to feel stupid or that he has wasted the CIC's time. In fact, and this is very  important, Ms. Annapurna Dixit in one instance, while agreeing with the PA,  understood from me what information I was seeking, asked me to submit another
RTI in that style and told the PIO that they should answer - and had that put in her judgment.

My vote is for Ms. Annapurna Dixit (or Mr. M.L. Sharma, for that matter) any day over Mr. Shailesh Gandhi.

Best Regards,
Vishwas"

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
If some ICs are soft, v r aggrievd on that count but if an IC is tough and implementing the RTI Act in letter and spirit, v make charges of corruption withoug doubt.
What is an ideal situation?



Re: [HumJanenge] Full penalty for 4 CPIOs on one RTI application

If some ICs are soft, v r aggrievd on that count but if an IC is tough and implementing the RTI Act in letter and spirit, v make charges of corruption withoug doubt.
What is an ideal situation?


On Mon, 18/7/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Full penalty for 4 CPIOs on one RTI application
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 18 July, 2011, 7:26 AM

Dear Manoj

Thanks for providing us yet another instance of Shri Shailesh Gandhi's "INCOMPETENT CORRUPTION".

One the one hand in this decision Shri Gandhi says
"Only the PIO has been given the power to seek assistance from any other officer to provide information"

He then goes on to penalise 4 extremely junior officers who were routinely forwarded copies of RTI by the D/A (ie. DEALING ASSISTANT) of the  "Deemed PIO" from whom the assistance was sought by the actual PIO, and the said deemed PIO admits he never even saw the request for assistance from the actual PIO.

To cover up, IC(SG) treats (and penalises) even the D/A by treating him as a "deemed PIO"

To even a caual observer it is clear that the real PIO and the deemed PIO have paid somebody massively and ensured that only some petty officers have been sacrificed yet again at IS(SG)'s penalty altar (aka money making machjine)

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here is an interesting case on four separate CPIOs of being imposed full penalty of Rs.25,000/-. I am aware of a case where two CPIOs were penalized for delay of one single application. Is this the first time four have been penalized for a single RTI Application?

"the Commission finds this a fit case for levying penalty on Mr. Bose, Mr. Dabas and Mr. Jeewan Singh, Licensing Inspectors (West Zone) and Deemed PIOs. Since the delay in providing the correct information has been over 100 days, the Commission is passing an order penalizing all three officers `25000/ each, which is the maximum penalty under the Act."

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_C_2011_000038_12197Penalty-I_T_60619.pdf

"Note: The Commission penalized Mr. N. Nagraj, Deemed PIO & Licensing Inspector of `25000/- under Section 20(1) on 20/06/2011."

So is this the current records?

Manoj

Re: [HumJanenge] Full penalty for 4 CPIOs on one RTI application

Dear Manoj

Thanks for providing us yet another instance of Shri Shailesh Gandhi's "INCOMPETENT CORRUPTION".

One the one hand in this decision Shri Gandhi says
"Only the PIO has been given the power to seek assistance from any other officer to provide information"

He then goes on to penalise 4 extremely junior officers who were routinely forwarded copies of RTI by the D/A (ie. DEALING ASSISTANT) of the  "Deemed PIO" from whom the assistance was sought by the actual PIO, and the said deemed PIO admits he never even saw the request for assistance from the actual PIO.

To cover up, IC(SG) treats (and penalises) even the D/A by treating him as a "deemed PIO"

To even a caual observer it is clear that the real PIO and the deemed PIO have paid somebody massively and ensured that only some petty officers have been sacrificed yet again at IS(SG)'s penalty altar (aka money making machjine)

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here is an interesting case on four separate CPIOs of being imposed full penalty of Rs.25,000/-. I am aware of a case where two CPIOs were penalized for delay of one single application. Is this the first time four have been penalized for a single RTI Application?

"the Commission finds this a fit case for levying penalty on Mr. Bose, Mr. Dabas and Mr. Jeewan Singh, Licensing Inspectors (West Zone) and Deemed PIOs. Since the delay in providing the correct information has been over 100 days, the Commission is passing an order penalizing all three officers `25000/ each, which is the maximum penalty under the Act."

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_C_2011_000038_12197Penalty-I_T_60619.pdf

"Note: The Commission penalized Mr. N. Nagraj, Deemed PIO & Licensing Inspector of `25000/- under Section 20(1) on 20/06/2011."

So is this the current records?

Manoj

[HumJanenge] Full penalty for 4 CPIOs on one RTI application

Here is an interesting case on four separate CPIOs of being imposed full penalty of Rs.25,000/-. I am aware of a case where two CPIOs were penalized for delay of one single application. Is this the first time four have been penalized for a single RTI Application?

"the Commission finds this a fit case for levying penalty on Mr. Bose, Mr. Dabas and Mr. Jeewan Singh, Licensing Inspectors (West Zone) and Deemed PIOs. Since the delay in providing the correct information has been over 100 days, the Commission is passing an order penalizing all three officers `25000/ each, which is the maximum penalty under the Act."

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_C_2011_000038_12197Penalty-I_T_60619.pdf

"Note: The Commission penalized Mr. N. Nagraj, Deemed PIO & Licensing Inspector of `25000/- under Section 20(1) on 20/06/2011."

So is this the current records?

Manoj

Re: [HumJanenge] Judgement of Tamil Nadu High court related to asset returns of IAS officers

Good response , information in full.Sirji,
C A  Shah D J
USA


From: sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; HC Arora <hcarora.highcourt@gmail.com>; Hemant Goswami <hemantgoswami@gmail.com>; hitenderjain <hitenderjain@gmail.com>; right2justice <right2justice@gmail.com>; lsa_ludhiana <lsa_ludhiana@yahoo.com>; Kuldeep Singh Khaira <kuldeepsingh_khaira@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2011 9:34 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Judgement of Tamil Nadu High court related to asset returns of IAS officers

The judgement is available at the following link

http://judis.nic.in/judis_chennai/qrydisp.aspx?filename=32970

regards
sandeep
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181


Re: [HumJanenge] Judgement of Tamil Nadu High court related to asset returns of IAS officers

Please see para 11 therein

"11. On the other hand, Dr.V.Krishna Ananth, learned counsel for the appellant would submit that after the order in the writ petition, the Central Government has directed the disclosure of the assets details by the I.A.S. Officers. The information hosted in the website has no authenticity, as such information is liable for hacking. The said information has also no evidentiary value.  In view of the above change of circumstances, there cannot be any impediment for the Information Commission to allow the appellant to access the information sought for in his application.  We find force in the above submission."

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
The judgement is available at the following link

http://judis.nic.in/judis_chennai/qrydisp.aspx?filename=32970

regards
sandeep
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Judgement of Tamil Nadu High court related to asset returns of IAS officers

The judgement is available at the following link

http://judis.nic.in/judis_chennai/qrydisp.aspx?filename=32970

regards
sandeep
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181