Sunday, June 12, 2011

[HumJanenge] Recommendation to DOPT on Section-4 of RTI Act from Odisha

Response to the Task Force constituted by Government of India for effective implementation of Section 4 of the RTI Act, 2005

 

The Government of India in the Dept of Personnel and Training has taken a rightful step, belatedly though, in constituting the Task Force for effective implementation of Section 4 of the RTI Act, 2005 and inviting the views/opinions of the members of public from all across the country on 8 nos. of items covered under its Terms of Reference (vide Circular Letter N0.1/6/2011-IR, Government of India, Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances & Pensions, Department of Personnel & Training, North Block, New Delhi Dated 1st June 2011http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02rti/1_6_2011-IR01062011.pdf). 

 

Lessons from Orissa

At the outset we would like to inform you that it is here in Orissa that under the mounting pressure of civil society campaign, the Government of Orissa made a Gazette notification of Orissa RTI (Amendment) Rules 2006 dated 29 May 2006 (http://orissasoochanacommission.nic.in/(S(vdgodl45jtflwx45ureeqh45))/Orissa%20RTI(Amendment)%20Rules,2006.pdf) which achieved inter alia two important objectives, namely- 

-          Reduction of application and appeal fees and of cost of information and inspection, (notwithstanding the fact that the appeal fees is itself ultra vires the parent Act; inspection fee, that is, free of any charge for the 1st hour and Rs.20/- for the 2nd hour is higher than the corresponding Central rate and mode of submission of various fees is expensive and cumbersome); and

-          More importantly, mandating every public authority to maintain a Register for recording the particulars of every person visiting its office for inspecting and accessing any information disclosed suo motu under Section 4, and also allowing every person to inspect the Register maintained to record the particulars of applications made under Section 6-1 just as he/she is entitled to inspect any information covered under Section 4 of the Act.

However, notwithstanding the above Amendment, the Government of Orissa didn't show any iota of interest in enforcing the maintenance of the Register for Section 4 as required there under. As a result, only a few public authorities and that too under the pressure of RTI activists, have reluctantly opened the said Register. But the greatest disservice to the cause of Section 4 was meted out by Orissa Information Commission. Nakedly violating the parent Act, the then Chief Information Commissioner Orissa Mr.D.N. Padhi in a number of decisions (such as C.C. No. 04/2006 filed by Shri Taranisen Padhan &3 Others decided on 20/06/2006, and C.C. No. 05/2006 filed by Shri Jaganath Panda & 3 Others decided on 20/06/2006) rejected the complaints alleging the non-implementation of Section 4 by the concerned public authorities without providing any opportunity of hearing to the complainants on the arbitrary ground that "the complaint petition does not come within the legal purview of Section 18 of Right to Information Act 2005". Such dismissive position taken by the Commission in the initial stage of the implementation of RTI Act sent a wrong and negative signal to the public authorities across the State who took it for granted that non-compliance to the provisions of Section 4 won't invite any penalty against the PIO or public authority concerned. As a result, none of the public authorities in the State including the Commission itself made a proper suo motu disclosure of the information as required under Section 4. Even though our forum consistently pursued the public authorities at various levels to adopt the 'Template for the Information Handbook under Right to Information Act' (http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/RTI/RTI-Templates.pdf) suggested by the Ministry of Personnel, Training and Public Grievances, GoI (nodal agency for RTI at national level) in respect of suo motu disclosures as required under Section 4, none of them gave any attention to the same. More unfortunately, the Offices of Speaker Orissa Legislative Assembly and Governor Orissa, though duty-bound to make suo motu disclosures under Section 4 have as yet not taken any step in this direction. Thus, on the whole the Section 4 scenario is pretty miserable in the State of Orissa and calls for strong remedial measures including the penal provisions against the recalcitrant or negligent public authorities.

Besides the Orissa State Information Commission instead of defending and protecting the RTI users has gone to the extent of victimizing them as is evident from the recent instance of lodging a damage/ defamation case by them against the two RTI activists, and also of hurling abusive and threatening abuses against the complainants from weaker sections in several instances.

Recommendations-

Based upon our experience and understanding as mentioned above, we would like to put forth our recommendations on the following 8 nos. of Terms of Reference of the Task Force for effective implementation of Section 4 of the RTI Act, 2005, which may have relevance for the whole country.

a. To examine the provisions of Section 4(l)(b) and to recommend guidelines for disclosures to be made at various levels of administration:-

 

'The Template for the Information Handbook under Right to Information Act' is an appropriate model already suggested by the Ministry of Personnel, GoI for compliance by the public authorities in general. But the real problem continues to be non-compliance or half-hearted compliance indulged in by the public authorities. Under the circumstances, to compel the full-fledged compliance by the public authorities concerned, a guideline is to be issued by the Min. of Personnel, GoI providing that all the public authorities including competent authorites should ensure publication of their suo motu disclosures under Section -4 in strict conformity to the above mentioned Template within 3 months of the date of notification of the gudeline, failing which the respective Information Commission at Centre or in a State shall charge a lump sum penalty against the defaulter public public authority to the tune of Rs.25,000/-, which the Commission has the authority to do under Section 19(8)(c) of RTI Act.

 

b. To recommend other items which may be included for suo motu disclosure, as provided in Section 4(l)(b)(xvii);

 

(i)                 As per Rule 2(1) of Orissa RTI (Amendemnt ) Rules 2006, the PIO shall maintain a register for recording the particulars of all RTI applications made under Section 6 of the Act including name of the applicant, date of application, subject matter of application, date of disposal, content of the decision, amount of application fees and other fees collected in connection with each application, and the said register shall remain open to the inspection and acess by the members of public just as other suo motu disclosures are. This provision may be emulated elsewhere across the country.

 

(ii)               As per Rule 2(2) of Orissa RTI (Amendemnt ) Rules 2006, each public authority shall maintain a register for recording the particulars of the persons visiting a public office in connection with inspection of and access to the information disclosed suo motu under Section 4 of the Act. It is suggested that such a register should also be treated as an information covered under Section 4(1)(b) of the Act, so that one can get to know at a glance how many persons have visited the concerned office within a specific time period and what sort of information has been acessed by them.

 

(iii)             The dates on which the suo motu disclosures are updated in a year and the name and designation of the concerned officer who has vetted the contents of the disclosures so made should be treated as an information deserving of suo motu disclosure under Section 4.

 

(iv)             As per Section 4(4) of the Act, the information covered under Section 4(1)(b) shall be made available free or at the cost of print or medium only. Sections 27(2) and 28(2) also mandated the appropriate Governments and competent athotroities respectively to notify the price of such information. But it was noticed that neither the Centre nor any State Government made any notification to that effect, on account of which both the members of public and public authorities are in a state of confusion as to how much to charge against the information covered under Section 4(1)(b). Under the circumstances, it is suggested that the said Governments and Competent Authorities should be mandated to immediately notify the prices against various items as required under Section 4(4) and such list of prices should be displayed on a prominent place in the concerned offices as a matter of routine suo motu disclosures.

 

(v)               As per the Explanantion appended to Section-4, the members of public are allowed to inspect the information suo motu disclosed by a public authority. But confusion arises whether inspection covered under Explanation to Section 4 and inspection one may like to have under Section 6 are one and the same thing and relatedly whether the charges for inspection under the above two categories would be same or different. It is therefore impertaive that both the Governments and competent authorities be mandated to notify the inspection fees chargeable under Section 4 separately and a chart of such fees displayed in a prominent place in the office of every public authority as a matter of proactive disclosure.

 

c. To explore the possibility of prescribing simple templates for disclosing specific category of information in order to facilitate disclosure;

 

'The Template for the Information Handbook under Right to Information Act' already prescribed is as such a simple one. Any further simplication shall dilute the rigour with which the Section 4(1)(b) has mandated the details of information to be disclosed suo motu by every public authority. Now the crucial issue is how to compel the public authorities by way of penal measures already suggested above to adhere to the prescribed Template.    

 

d. To recommend mediums though which such disclosure is to be made at various levels, which would include disclosure through electronic means also;

 

The Section 4(4) has prescribed inter alia the 'local language' in which all materials shall be disseminated in a locality through various media. But there are many local languages, called also dialects, which can be used only orally, since there are no corresponding writing scripts for the same. It is suggested that so far suo motu disclosures to be made by a public authority in print or on internet are concerned, it should be in regional language (official language of a State) for the convenience of the people of the concerned State along with English to benefit the people of the country at large. Additionally, a non-Hindi State may use Rashtrabhasha Hindi for the benefit of Hindi-knowing public spread all over the country.

 

e. To recommend guidelines for complying with the provisions under Section 4(l)(b)(vii) and Section 4 (I) (c) and Section 4 (1) (d);

 

(i)                 So far Section 4(1)(b)(vii) is concerned, each Office of every public authority must publish suo motu the list of Acts, policies and programmes implemented by them and the particulars of the officers or Committees entrusted to implement them. Besides it should also disclose suo motu in advance the yearly or monthly calendar of meetings to be held to discuss the issues around implementation or revision of these instruments so as to enable the members of public to participate in them or submit their views/opinions on the same. Moreover, as and when necessary, the concerned public authority can invite the views/opinions of the members of public within a month of the notice to be isssued for the purpose around any issue that has unpredictably cropped up. The decisions of the concerned authority or Committee along with the views/ opinions so submitted by the members of public should be published on the website of the public authority for the knowledge of all.

 

(ii)               So far Section 4(1)(c) is concerned, every public authority should issue a notice inviting the views /opinions of the members of public within a month's time on a contemplated draft policy or draft decision along with its background and reasons. After the concerned policy or decision is adopted, it should be placed on the website along with the reasons for which the said policy or decision was adopted vis-à-vis the views/opinions submitted by the members of the public.

 

(iii)             So for Section 4(1)(d) is concerned, every public authority should mention elaborately the reasons for adopting a particular administrative or quasi-judicial decision through newspapers, television, radio and internet.    

 

f. To give recommendations as to how compliance with the provision of Section 4 (1) (b), (c) (d) and Sections 4 (2) to 4 (4) may be better enforced.

 

(i)         The nodal agency for RTI at Centre and in every State and also each Information Commission should serve as a model in opertionalising the above provisions of Section 4. The rest of public authorities are expected to follow them.

 

(ii)        At every level, Central, State, District, Sub-division, Block or Gram Panchayat a separate Committee comprising members from Government and civil society should be formed to identify the gaps in operationalisation of the above provisions by the public authorities of the concerned level and recommend how to bridge them.

 

(iii)       Every year the above Committees should select the best performing public authority at their respective levels and reward them with cash and certificate. This will encourage the rest of the public authorities to follow the model shown by the best performers.

  

g. To recommend measures for protection of persons seeking information under the RTI Act

It is unfortunate that while Section 6(2) has specifically forbidden the disclosure by an applicant of any personal details other than the contact address in his RTI application, the Orissa RTI Rules 2005 (http://rtiorissa.gov.in/RTI-Rules) has imposed a compulsory 11-column Application Form (Form-A) which asks the applicant to disclose inter alia such personal information as permanent address, name of father/spouse and proof of citizenship in the shape of copy of voter's card or passport, which are ultra vires the parent Act. Despite vehement protest against such illegitimate provision, the Government of Orissa still sticks on to it. Further unfortunately, the State Information Commission in place of recommending the abolition of such grossly illegal provision by way of using its powers under Section 25(5) of the Act has been blindly supporting it. As a result, most of people fear to make an RTI application lest their identity would be disclosed to the very group of vested interests who might feel pinched by the kind of information asked for and consequently they and their family members would come under attack by the said group of vested interests. Also there have occurred a series of attacks on RTI activists and applicants by the cliques of bureaucrats and vested interests across the State of Orissa precisely for this reason. Under the circumstances, the following remedial measures are suggested-

-          Central nodal agency for RTI should issue a stricture asking the Government of Orissa and other such States to amend their respective rules which require the RTI applicants to mention personal information about themselves or family members in RTI application;

 

-          Any case of attack on an RTI applicant or activist should be taken up suo motu as a case for enquiry under Section 18(2) by the concerned Information Commission, who would direct the Dept of Home of the respective Government for conducting a preliminary enquiry and nabbing the culprit within a fortnight of the occurrence of the incident;

 

-          Any case of attack on an RTI applicant or activist, if brought to the notice of the concerned Information Commission by a complainant under Section 18 of the Act, should be taken up in right earnest and with immediate priority for enquiry and also for a direction to the concerned Home Dept for arrest and action against the culprits within a fortnight from the date of complaint so lodged.

 

-          If the concerned Information Commission, despite being informed of the occurrence of such an attack, fail in their duty to take up the enquiry and necessary deterrent action with immediate effect, the President or Governor, as the case may be, shall intervene in the matter under Section 17 to take immediate penal action against the Chief Information Commissioner and simultaneously to order the concerned Home Dept to take penal action against the culprits.

 

-          An exclusive cell shall function in the office of DG Police to take up the cases of attack on RTI applicants and activists and nab the culprits on priority basis.

 

-          Appropriate Government should award compensation to the survivor victims or the kith and kin of the dead victims in the wake of any physical attack on the RTI applicants or activists.       

h. Any other issue incidental to the above.

Unfortunately in Orissa, the State Information Commission in place of protecting the RTI applicants or activists has itself victimized two RTI activists namely Pradip Pradhan and Chitta Behera, by way of lodging a damage/defamation case amounting to Rs.1 lakh against them in the Court of Senior Civil Judge Bhubanswar in October 2010 on the simple ground that they have tarnished the image of the then State Chief Information Commissioner Mr. D.N.Padhi through their write-ups on the latter's omissions and commissions on the internet. It is worth mentioning here that as per Section 499 of IPC 1860, any discussion involving whatever hard or harsh language on the public conduct of a public servant cannot be taken as a ground for lodging a defamation case by the concerned public servant. However, despite the superannuation of Mr.Padhi from service since November last the case is still continuing against the above activist duo on the direction of the present Chief. And further, in spite of apprising the Governor Orissa on several occasions about this blatantly illegal and vindictive act of the Commission against the above RTI activists, no step has since been taken against the concerned Commissioners or for protection to the RTI activists so victimized. In such a situation, the national nodal agency for RTI should intervene in the matter to prevail upon the State Information Commission to withdraw the case lodged by them against the two prominent RTI activists of the State.

 

Pradip Pradhan

On behalf of  Odisha Soochana Adhikar Abhijan

VIM-316, Sailashree Vihar, Chandra Sekhar Pur

Bhubaneswar, Orissa, Web- www.orissarti.com

M- 99378-43482,

 

     

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: My fresh Public Grievance pertaining to Lok Pal Bill

May I know ur credentials? On what basis u boast that u should be in the drafting cmt? As regards public consultation, I agee that is a good idea. However such an opportunity is made avlbl by IAC thru a wbsite

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:23:55 +0530
To: <secy_mop@nic.in>; humjanenge<humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: My fresh Public Grievance pertaining to Lok Pal Bill

To:
The Secretary,
Department of Personnel & Training/GoI

Kind: Attn: Ms Alka Sirohi

Dear Madam

I thank you / your Department for providing me a copy of the SECRET OM to you from the Ministry of Home Affairs (OM 19/15/2011-Judicial-PP) enclosed for your ready reference in the electronic form along with the comparison of MHA on draft Lok Pal Bills.

I am now even further caused to complain as follows:-

a)  That the consulatrion process on this Bill is limited to Political parties, politicians and a few handpicked fomrer public servants now masquerading as civil society reresentatives on the Joint Drafting Committee.

b) That there is no opportunity for citizens like me to submit their views on the Lok Pal Bill

c) It is still not clear to me why eminent persons like myself were not appointed to the Joint Drafting Committee

d) How the confidentiality of consultative processes will be maintained when SECRET documents addressed to you by other Ministries are disclosed to private citizens in contravention of the Official Secrets Act so casually by your juniors ?,

With best Wishes

Sarbajit Roy
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

Tel : 09311448069

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To:

The Secretary,
Department of Personnel & Training

By EMAIL

Dear Madam

I am reluctantly caused to complain to you concerning the quality and bonafides of private persons nominated for the Joint Drafting Committee for Lok Pal Bill (which is under your purview), specifically Mr Prashanth Bhushan (Advocate).

I am appending an email forwarded to me by one Justice (Retd) Kamleshwar Nath alongwith comments of Mr Prashanth Bhushan asking for wide publication / circulation of a scandalous email (attached) defaming his co Committee member and Union Home Minister Mr P.C.Chidambaram.

As your department's CPIO  has still not informed me why Mr Bhushan was appointed to the Joint Drafting Committee instead of myself, I further complain to you that in view of Mr Bhushan's comments I insist (as guaranteed u/a 19) to be provided a formal opportunity of submitting my comments / objections / suggestions via a public consultation process on the draft LokPal Bill as and when it is finalised or placed before Parliament as is the usual practice.

Kindly also place this email and its annexure on the official record of the Joint Drafting Committee or forward it to the Convenor / Secretary thereof to be placed on record.

With best Wishes

Sarbajit Roy
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

Tel : 09311448069

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Subject: FW: chidambaram
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Dear All,

 

            Forwarding herewith an eye opener on P. Chidambaram Minister who presided over violence on peaceful fasting Satyagrahis at Ramlila Grounds New Delhi at midnight of 4th/5th June 2011.

 

            Knowledge is strength; let People know.

 

            Regards,

                  KN

 

 

 

 

 

From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.

:

Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),

Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),

Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

Address

:

`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India

Phone(s)

:

+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

 


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Subject: Fwd: chidambaram

 

 

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From: Prashant Bhushan <prashantbhush@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Subject: Fwd: chidambaram
To:


Dears All,

read this outstanding article by Arun Agarwal on why chidambaram fears the Lokpal and put it on as many websites and magazines as you can. Disseminate it as widely as you can.

Warmly,

Prashant 

 

 

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From: arun agrawal <angrywal@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:41 AM
Subject: chidambaram
To: Prashant Bhushan <prashantbhush@gmail.com>, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com>, arvind kejariwal <parivartanindia@gmail.com>, Parivartan <parivartan_india@rediffmail.com>

Please go through the attached file on Chidambaram.
BR
Arun

 




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Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement

Dear Mukund

Sorry for not replying earlier.

You can pick any of the Upanishads. For example the Chandogya Upanishad's 2nd chapter of Part 1, describes how both gods and devils are offspring of a common "father" and how "good" and "bad" always exist till the time of death. Although Indians (especially North / Aryan Indians) have been conditioned that gods="devas" and demons="asuras", In other Aryan Central Asian cultures "devas"=devils and "ahuras"="gods". So keep this in mind. In fact in mythical terms the Indo-Aryans were the "losers" who came (retreated) to India (via Africa BTW) after losing in Persia.

Another Khanda I find very useful in the Chandogya is Chapter III of Part 8.

Since you have repeatedly pressed me on this point, I shall openly state the bitter truth ---> that today's HINDUS only have copies (however corrupted and distorted they may be) because of the MUSLIMS (secular MUGHAL emperors) who PRESERVED Urdu / Persian versions of them in their libraries.

So you may use any version of what passes as the Chandogya (other sacred books) to get my points.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, mukund parikh <mkppm@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit Roy,
I shall be glad to know relative quotes of Rammohun Roy and modifications by Ramakrishna Paramhans, Swami Vivekananda 
which you have linked. This will add to my perceptions.
Regards,
Mukund Parikh
Sent: Friday, 10 June 2011 6:03 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement

Dear Mukund

As you know the original texts of our ancient scriptures are not available to anyone. Nor are there any authentic or universally acceptable copies. I am relying upon the versions used by Rammohun Roy (and later with modifications by Ramakrishna Paramhans, Swami Vivekananda etc) - these are quite different from the versions generally used by persons outside Bengal so I do not want to be in any controversy on this score.

You may refer to your own versions and extract what I have said.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM, mukund parikh <mkppm@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit Roy,
Thanks for quoting in name of Bhagvad Gita and upanishads. Please give cross ref vis-a-vis your ref & quotations in holy scriptures.
Regards,
Mukund parikh







Re: [HumJanenge] Overwhelming response against Lokpal Bill clauses

Dear Guptaji

Kindly clarify which party you are referring to as "our oldest political party" and when this party was formed ?

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:59 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The CMs who have left the matter on the High Command do not have any say of their own and this has been culture of our oldest political party.

--- On Sun, 12/6/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:

From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Overwhelming response against Lokpal Bill clauses
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, 12 June, 2011, 11:45 AM


Thanks to sarabjit roy , It is a good job , Our Karnataka Chief minister reply not seen in the lokpal web site , All congress ruled states are stick to their high comand , They are not using thier brain , they have not given any independent opinion on lokpal bill questionare

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
The responses of the Political parties are even more interesting :-)

Sarbajit

On 6/11/11, Amit Kumar <in4tunio@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking at the responses of the Chief Ministers, a few things are clear:
>
> 1. The states governed by Congress need not be consulted as they do not
> provide any feedback, only stating they will follow the high command. Among
> these, only the chief minister of Delhi seems to have something to say.
> 2. States ruled by BJP all have the same reply.
>
> Only the Delhi and Manipur Chief Ministers actually answered the questions
> asked by the Center.
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://persmin.nic.in/Lokpal_Index.asp
>>
>> <smile>
>>
>


Re: [HumJanenge] TIME FOR ACTION, NOT FASTING

Dear Mr R-1947

I' am the moderator of this group. We usually don't allow such nonsense to be posted to this group, but I made an exception in your case to provide our members an example of the scores of such confused messages the moderators "censor" / block on a daily basis.

Anyway, your post was very funny. Ha Ha Ha, but please get your history correct.

Now if you have anything to say on RTI (it stands for Right to Information) please feel free to use our group's resources.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, <Rashtra1947@aol.com> wrote:

ACTION, NOT FAST.  ATTACK, NOT DEFENCE!

 

Imagine two armies facing each other in battle.

 

How lucky and happy will one army be, if the news comes that the commander on the other side has died.

 

In the same way the Kauravas wish that the Pandava's leader takes his own life instead of going to battle against them.

 

Today there are two leaders of OPPOSING ideologies (sides). One is SONIA, the Daughter of Italy & Mussolini, On the other side is our own hero, Baba Ram Dev.

 

Since the HINDUS have nearly always PERISHED in battle and only surrendered territory but never gained an inch, the choice left to us now is "non violent satyagraha" in order to "move" the enemy's heart to show compassion by doing our own "baleedan" in front of his eyes.

 

But if Ram Dev ji dies while fasting, the field will be CLEAR for the enemies of Hindus and Hindusthan to rule with iron fist for the foreseeable future that could be CENTURIES.

 

With each day passing there are more MUSLIMS (enemies who took away vast territories in 1947) being born on the sacred soil of Sri Rama, Sri Krishna and Guru Tegh Bahadur ji. While breeding like rabbits they are tilting the balance in their favour even in Partitioned India while the Hindu numbers are decreasing relatively. With each day passing the Hindus are getting more and more battered, bashed, brainwashed, exploited, demoralised and ROBBED.

 

With each day passing the enemy is getting stronger and the Hindus WEAKER. It is not too difficult to imagine what will be the state of Hindus after 63 years. One can realise this if we compare the state of Hindus 63 years AGO.

 

63 AGO the Hindus were fully justified in EXTEMINATING the Muslims as the streams of grieving Hindu refugees were pouring in from the West and the East with the harrowing accounts of those murdered by the Muslims and our unparalleled mass exodus.

 

63 years ago the Hindus could have "gheraoed" Pandit Nehru and lynched him or cut him up limb by limb to punish him for surrendering an inch of Bharat's sacred "DHARTI" without referendum to the enemy.

 

63 years ago the Hindu nation could have blasted the Babri Masjid and rebuilt the Sri Ram Temple while the Muslims were still in SHOCK having broken up Bharat as traitors after proclaiming themselves to be SECOND nation. (NB: Nehru, the "Son of a Bitch" declared them "indigenous" and a part of ONE NATION after giving them Karachi, Multan, Lahore, Nankana Sahib and East Bengal!)

 

63 years ago there were NO Hajj subsidies for the Rascals nor Article 307 in the Constitution to enrich the only Muslim majority State at the cost of all the Hindu majority States.

 

63 years ago the Chief Minister of Punjab was a "Lion", ruling his grand Province from LAHORE, not like Nehru's "degraded dog" sitting on "Union" Territory.  63 years ago the Prime Minister of India held his sway over a country that stretched from KHYBER to CHITTAGONG not the mutilated rump shrunk between Kolkata and Wagah.

 

63 years ago the whole of Kashmir was still available to be incorporated in India like PATIALA and HYDERABAD. This opportunity came again in 1972 but Mrs. Feroze KHAN (the "Witch" that called herself "Indira Gandhi" in order to fool the Hindus) was neither for Bharat nor for Secularism.

 

Like her father she, too, was for ISLAM.  Her Army ("Eunuchs in Uniform") won medals and awards for "gallantry" after attacking Sri Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar instead of capturing LAHORE. Her son Roberto (Rajiv) sent the army to kill the Tamils in Sri Lanka instead of backing their demands for dignity and safety.  63 years ago the Indian Army was still strong and invincible having fought under the British flag and DEFEATED Germany and Japan.

 

But 63 years later, that is, TODAY, the Hindus are decimated, demoralised, confused, divided, plundered, exploited, brainwashed and so weak that our nation is led by a female of no pedigree from the "Land of Mafia & Mussolini", professing foreign faith and alien loyalties.

 

63 years on, today, our Prime Minister walks and acts like her "poodle". 63 years on, the "mouse" Supreme Commander of Partitioned India is a laugh instead of inspiration. She is light years away from the Supreme Commander of the United States of America in guts and "gaurv". His army is fighting the enemy across oceans and frontiers while our "Secular Mouse" Pratibha Patil dare not show up even in Srinagar, leave aside North Kashmir! But like her predecessor Abdul Kalam this "rubber stamp", too, is getting fat salary and will get very high pension for the rest of her life. She need not even look at a refugee from Srinagar or Sylhet!

 

63 years on, i.e., today, our top MAN, Baba Ram Devji, can only think of "fasting to death" as the weapon to fight corruption and oust the rascals from positions of absolute power!

 

Therefore, the more time the Hindus waste in discussions, the more the enemy will hit us hard and finally FINISH US OFF totally.

 

It is time to study all the cases in history where the once helpless, unarmed and peace loving Iranians and Egyptians toppled their repressive and corrupt regimes by dispatching the autocratic rulers to the next world or exile.

 

The HINDUS must not take the bashing any more from the evil "Chandaal Chaukdi" comprising Dynasty, Italy, Islam & Congress, aided and abetted by Hindu "camp followers".

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

Rajput

June 12, 2011.

 ========

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB_qCDHc1Qw


[HumJanenge] TIME FOR ACTION, NOT FASTING

ACTION, NOT FAST.  ATTACK, NOT DEFENCE!

 

Imagine two armies facing each other in battle.

 

How lucky and happy will one army be, if the news comes that the commander on the other side has died.

 

In the same way the Kauravas wish that the Pandava's leader takes his own life instead of going to battle against them.

 

Today there are two leaders of OPPOSING ideologies (sides). One is SONIA, the Daughter of Italy & Mussolini, On the other side is our own hero, Baba Ram Dev.

 

Since the HINDUS have nearly always PERISHED in battle and only surrendered territory but never gained an inch, the choice left to us now is "non violent satyagraha" in order to "move" the enemy's heart to show compassion by doing our own "baleedan" in front of his eyes.

 

But if Ram Dev ji dies while fasting, the field will be CLEAR for the enemies of Hindus and Hindusthan to rule with iron fist for the foreseeable future that could be CENTURIES.

 

With each day passing there are more MUSLIMS (enemies who took away vast territories in 1947) being born on the sacred soil of Sri Rama, Sri Krishna and Guru Tegh Bahadur ji. While breeding like rabbits they are tilting the balance in their favour even in Partitioned India while the Hindu numbers are decreasing relatively. With each day passing the Hindus are getting more and more battered, bashed, brainwashed, exploited, demoralised and ROBBED.

 

With each day passing the enemy is getting stronger and the Hindus WEAKER. It is not too difficult to imagine what will be the state of Hindus after 63 years. One can realise this if we compare the state of Hindus 63 years AGO.

 

63 AGO the Hindus were fully justified in EXTEMINATING the Muslims as the streams of grieving Hindu refugees were pouring in from the West and the East with the harrowing accounts of those murdered by the Muslims and our unparalleled mass exodus.

 

63 years ago the Hindus could have "gheraoed" Pandit Nehru and lynched him or cut him up limb by limb to punish him for surrendering an inch of Bharat's sacred "DHARTI" without referendum to the enemy.

 

63 years ago the Hindu nation could have blasted the Babri Masjid and rebuilt the Sri Ram Temple while the Muslims were still in SHOCK having broken up Bharat as traitors after proclaiming themselves to be SECOND nation. (NB: Nehru, the "Son of a Bitch" declared them "indigenous" and a part of ONE NATION after giving them Karachi, Multan, Lahore, Nankana Sahib and East Bengal!)

 

63 years ago there were NO Hajj subsidies for the Rascals nor Article 307 in the Constitution to enrich the only Muslim majority State at the cost of all the Hindu majority States.

 

63 years ago the Chief Minister of Punjab was a "Lion", ruling his grand Province from LAHORE, not like Nehru's "degraded dog" sitting on "Union" Territory.  63 years ago the Prime Minister of India held his sway over a country that stretched from KHYBER to CHITTAGONG not the mutilated rump shrunk between Kolkata and Wagah.

 

63 years ago the whole of Kashmir was still available to be incorporated in India like PATIALA and HYDERABAD. This opportunity came again in 1972 but Mrs. Feroze KHAN (the "Witch" that called herself "Indira Gandhi" in order to fool the Hindus) was neither for Bharat nor for Secularism.

 

Like her father she, too, was for ISLAM.  Her Army ("Eunuchs in Uniform") won medals and awards for "gallantry" after attacking Sri Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar instead of capturing LAHORE. Her son Roberto (Rajiv) sent the army to kill the Tamils in Sri Lanka instead of backing their demands for dignity and safety.  63 years ago the Indian Army was still strong and invincible having fought under the British flag and DEFEATED Germany and Japan.

 

But 63 years later, that is, TODAY, the Hindus are decimated, demoralised, confused, divided, plundered, exploited, brainwashed and so weak that our nation is led by a female of no pedigree from the "Land of Mafia & Mussolini", professing foreign faith and alien loyalties.

 

63 years on, today, our Prime Minister walks and acts like her "poodle". 63 years on, the "mouse" Supreme Commander of Partitioned India is a laugh instead of inspiration. She is light years away from the Supreme Commander of the United States of America in guts and "gaurv". His army is fighting the enemy across oceans and frontiers while our "Secular Mouse" Pratibha Patil dare not show up even in Srinagar, leave aside North Kashmir! But like her predecessor Abdul Kalam this "rubber stamp", too, is getting fat salary and will get very high pension for the rest of her life. She need not even look at a refugee from Srinagar or Sylhet!

 

63 years on, i.e., today, our top MAN, Baba Ram Devji, can only think of "fasting to death" as the weapon to fight corruption and oust the rascals from positions of absolute power!

 

Therefore, the more time the Hindus waste in discussions, the more the enemy will hit us hard and finally FINISH US OFF totally.

 

It is time to study all the cases in history where the once helpless, unarmed and peace loving Iranians and Egyptians toppled their repressive and corrupt regimes by dispatching the autocratic rulers to the next world or exile.

 

The HINDUS must not take the bashing any more from the evil "Chandaal Chaukdi" comprising Dynasty, Italy, Islam & Congress, aided and abetted by Hindu "camp followers".

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

Rajput

June 12, 2011.

 ========

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB_qCDHc1Qw