| Make an RTI Request , ask them the order sheets for All adjornments , Query why they are Adjorning Continously , donot they have Process of SEnding RPAD/ Serveing through Process Server ?Paper notification and Finally Ex=parte , What does the Jurisprudence Speak N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Sun, 3/4/11, Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote:
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Sunday, April 3, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] karnataka state consumner commission
Re: [HumJanenge] karnataka state consumner commission
IF FYOU READ THE ACT AND RULES, YOU CAN I BELIEVE FILE A COMPLAINT IN THE STATE COMMISSION AT THE ILLEGAL ACT OF GIVING ADJOURNMENTS, THAT TOO AFTER CASE IS CLOSED FOR HEARING, AND IF THE STATE COMMISSION DOES NOT ACT IN TWO MONTHS, FILE A COMPLAINT AT THE NATIONAL COMMISSION
IF NATIONAL COMMISSION DOES NOT ACT, THEN SUPREME COURT
UP TO NATIONAL COMMISSION YOU DONT NEED A LAWYER, BUT THE PARTY HAS TO FILE HIMSELF AND IT CAN BE DRAFTED BY ANY LITIGANT, THAT IS WHAT CONSUMER LAWS ARE FOR
From: Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com>
To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 10:56:33 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] karnataka state consumner commission
Court Hall Proceedings
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IF NATIONAL COMMISSION DOES NOT ACT, THEN SUPREME COURT
UP TO NATIONAL COMMISSION YOU DONT NEED A LAWYER, BUT THE PARTY HAS TO FILE HIMSELF AND IT CAN BE DRAFTED BY ANY LITIGANT, THAT IS WHAT CONSUMER LAWS ARE FOR
Wishing you a lifetime of winning days,
Akhil Marfatia
From: Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com>
To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 10:56:33 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] karnataka state consumner commission
Those who are connected to juducial system in India.
For one of the case against the builder in Karnataka State Consumer commission. I got to know that builder is not coming to the court. Still there is no Ex parte decision
Court Hall Proceedings
| Posted For | Posted on | Action Taken | Order Passed if any |
| Admission | 14/08/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Admission | 28/08/2009 | notice | |
| Notice | 29/10/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Notice | 27/11/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Notice | 22/12/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 27/01/2010 | Affidavit filed | |
| Arguments | 30/03/2010 | Judgement Reserved | |
| Judgements | 07/04/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 17/06/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 01/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 15/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 22/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 20/08/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 16/09/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 02/11/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Orders | 23/11/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Orders | 06/01/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 03/02/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 07/02/2011 | Version Filed | |
| Version | 17/02/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 11/03/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 12/04/2011 |
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Any idea why is it taking so long ?
Thanks
Abhinav
"
Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts...
"
[rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] DoPT deny to disclose the names considered for Chief of CIC
Dear Sarbajit.
Quote:
Dear Umapathi
It seems the prime reason MKG did not get information is because of the POOR drafting of his RTI application. For instance he used words like "selection" (there is no selection, a committee RECOMMENDS names to President for APPOINTMENT) and "considered" (does the RTI Act require consideration ?). In the circumstances how can you expect a PIO of DoPT to provide information on hypothetical queries ?? Sunil Ahya made the same kind of mistakes in his 29(1) request to DoPT
Is it too much to ask that OUR MEMBERS. at least show some RESPECT for this group's prestige and read the F***ing RTI Act before/while filings RTIs.
Sarbajit
Unquote
Thanks for your kind compliments on the correctness / mistakes in RTI (information) queries ?
For the prestige and respect of our group, are you willing to take the challenge on DoPT's compliance of sec. 29(1) ??
Awaiting your response ........ :)
Best Regards,
Sunil.
Quote:
Dear Umapathi
It seems the prime reason MKG did not get information is because of the POOR drafting of his RTI application. For instance he used words like "selection" (there is no selection, a committee RECOMMENDS names to President for APPOINTMENT) and "considered" (does the RTI Act require consideration ?). In the circumstances how can you expect a PIO of DoPT to provide information on hypothetical queries ?? Sunil Ahya made the same kind of mistakes in his 29(1) request to DoPT
Is it too much to ask that OUR MEMBERS. at least show some RESPECT for this group's prestige and read the F***ing RTI Act before/while filings RTIs.
Sarbajit
Unquote
Thanks for your kind compliments on the correctness / mistakes in RTI (information) queries ?
For the prestige and respect of our group, are you willing to take the challenge on DoPT's compliance of sec. 29(1) ??
Awaiting your response ........ :)
Best Regards,
Sunil.
[HumJanenge] amendment of 498A...
This is a questinnaire circulated by law commssion of india about amendment of dreaded 498A section of IPC...plz read and send it to law commission as your feedback. Plz give name and proper address.You can also use RTI to find out the feedback. See how RTI works in real issues will also be an acid test of RTI once.
Plz support this movement and send toi as many as people you can
.....................................................
Questionnaire
a) What according to you is ideally expected of Police, on receiving the FIR alleging an offence u/s 498A of IPC? What should be their approach and plan of action?
Ans: They like u/s 41 C of CrPC should ask the offender to come to police station ( except in case of death /severe limb injury of the women) and be asked to come on predetermined period. By this time police must complete the preliminary investigation say within a week, max a fortnight. The police station will in this time will sent it subdivisional level counselling centre and only after getting a report from there they will proceed to lodge the case when there is no death or serious limb injury. In other cases where death etc takes place ( max 25%) total cases police should proceed immediately.
b) Do you think that justice will be better meted out to the aggrieved woman by the immediate arrest and custodial interrogation of the husband and his relations named in the FIR? Would the objective of s.498A be better served thereby?
Ans: No custodial detention damages family tie mostly forever. If you want to get some examples Please contact us at ( www.abhiyan.webnode.com).
a)The Supreme Court laid down in D.K. Basu (1996) and other cases that the power of arrest without warrant ought not to be resorted to in a routine manner and that the Police officer should be reasonably satisfied about a person's complicity as well as the need to effect arrest. Don't you agree that this rule applies with greater force in a situation of matrimonial discord and the police are expected to act more discreetly and cautiously before taking the drastic step of arrest?
Ans: Yes this is very much necessary for police to make arrest in domestic relation problems to get a warrant in routine manner.
b) What steps should be taken to check indiscriminate and unwarranted arrests?
Ans: The answer is given below. The process of reconciliation should be followed except in case of deliberate death or serious limb injury .
Do you think that making the offence bailable is the proper solution to the problem? Will it be counter-productive?
Ans: For cases without death or serious limb injury that should be a proper solution. No it will never be counter productive.
There is a view point supported by certain observations in the courts' judgments that before effecting arrest in cases of this nature, the proper course would be to try the process of reconciliation by counselling both sides. In other words, the possibility of exploring reconciliation at the outset should precede punitive measures. Do you agree that the conciliation should be the first step, having regard to the nature and dimension of the problem? If so, how best the conciliation process could be completed with utmost expedition? Should there be a time-limit beyond which the police shall be free to act without waiting for the outcome of conciliation process?
Ans: In a country where a union cabinet minister is in demand of money the police if lead to act freely will compound the problem as happened in last 27 years. Counselling should be allowed after a cooling off period say one month etc.
Though the Police may tender appropriate advice initially and facilitate reconciliation process, the preponderance of view is that the Police should not get involved in the actual process and their role should be that of observer at that stage? Do you have a different view?
Ans: Most of police officers are illiterate with colonial mentality . Conselling should be done by local stalwarts in the police station area who are not cash starved . That is they must not use the reconcicliation process a money making one as most of the lawyers do. However initial counselling by officers in uniform in police station works.
a. In the absence of consensus as to mediators, who will be ideally suited to act as mediators/conciliators – the friends or elders known to both the parties or professional counsellors (who may be part of NGOs), lady and men lawyers who volunteer to act in such matters, a Committee of respected/retired persons of the locality or the Legal Services Authority of the District?
Ans: A battery consisting of Common friends/ professional counsellors, retired persons in the locality should be counsellors. Lawyers should be kept out of the process as they will try to find clients in such sessions. School teachers without political background may also be choosen. Gender neutral NGO's are also welcome in the move.
b) How to ensure that the officers in charge of police stations can easily identify and contact those who are well suited to conciliate or mediate, especially having regard to the fact that professional and competent counsellors may not be available at all places and any delay in initiating the process will lead to further complications?
Ans: The senior police and civil authority in a drive will form two such committee in every police station area /subdivisional area and will direct the warring parties to such body before enacting arrest. The mediation centres in courts are in poor condition . Such can also be merged with the courts mediation centre so that a police , court and civil administration based counsellors may be formed.
7) a) Do you think that on receipt of complaint under S.498A, immediate steps should be taken by the Police to facilitate an application being filed before the Judicial Magistrate under the PDV Act so that the Magistrate can set in motion the process of counselling/conciliation, apart from according interim protection?
Ans: Yes that should be process alternatively is counselling system cannot be developed in police subdisional level.
Should the Police in the meanwhile be left free to arrest the accused without the permission of the Magistrate?
Ans: Never . Because if it is done the and police is left free to arrest the accused the process will hardly bear any fruit.
b. Should the investigation be kept in abeyance till the conciliation process initiated by the Magistrate is completed?
Ans; No investigation can be continued and should continue. So that clear picture may evolve soon.
Do you think that the offence should be made compoundable (with the permission of court)?
Ans: Very welcome move and also very much needed one at this hour.
Are there any particular reasons not to make it compoundable?
Ans: Yes, just to continue a inhuman regime.
Do you consider it just and proper to differentiate the husband from the other accused in providing for bail?
Ans: Yes it is correct.
a. Do you envisage a better and more extensive role to be played by Legal Services Authorities (LSAs) at Taluka and District levels in relation to s.498A cases and for facilitating amicable settlement? Is there a need for better coordination between LSAs and police stations?
Ans: Yes very much . In North 24 parganas( West Bengal ) if you make an enquiry you will find a such bodies hardly functional in that stage.
b) Do you think that aggrieved women have easy access to LSAs at the grassroot level and get proper guidance and help from them at the pre-complaint and subsequent stages?
Ans: Yes, it will be really good if women or her relatives are directed to counselling before lodging a complaint . That can also be done by a senior police officer under community police system.
c)Are the Mediation Centres in some States well equipped and better suited to attend to the cases related to S,498-A?
Ans: No idea about other states. In North 24 Parganas ,( West Bengal ) it is very poorly equipped and is not allowed to function properly. The motive is clear that if there is no litigation a section of people will not survive as many of them are surviving saprophytically.
What measures do you suggest to spread awareness of the protective penal provisions and civil rights available to women in rural areas especially among the poorer sections of people?
Ans: Make registration of marriage mandatory. Give a leaflet to the men /women and they have to fill up a page in the marriage registration form under their handwriting about the laws.
Do you have any informations about the number of and conditions in shelter homes which are required to be set up under PDV Act to help the aggrieved women who after lodging the complaint do not wish to stay at marital home or there is none to look after them?
Ans; Yes I have information about such. In our state of West Bengal the conditioan is very poor and state run such dedicated home is nil. After getting statistics I feel that not more than 30 ( thirty) women needs such rehabilitation in our state as most of them stays back in their paternal house.
What according to you is the main reason for low conviction rate in the prosecutions u/s 498A?
Ans: Majority are False complaints that cannot face the trial. This clearly shows that 498 is actually becoming a torture on male and their family.
a. Is it desirable to have a Crime Against Women Cell (CWC) in every district to deal exclusively with the crimes such as S.498A? If so, what should be its composition and the qualifications of women police deployed in such a cell?
Ans: Instead every district police should have a Family Harmony Cell to deal with domestic vielceproblems. Under this cell let the counselling system function. Let this cell also handle the pre-complaint counselling. The process is as follows. Once a police station gets complaint it directs it to the cell who informs the both the parties for counselling. Once the counselling fails then only it is reverted back to police station for action . This type of cell must be supervised officer of not less than SDPO rank.
b. As the present experience shows, it is likely that wherever a CWC is set up, there may be substantial number of unfilled vacancies and the personnel may not have undergone the requisite training. In this situation, whether it would be advisable to entrust the investigation etc. to CWC to the exclusion of the jurisdictional Police Station?
Ans: It is for the shortage and training a two central counselling system consisting three person will be functioning. This will definitely not be very hard to run. Volunteers may be inducted and four teams may be formed for weekly counselling. This system if formed in sub-divisional level will really work as we had seen this with at least 500 cases.
regards
Plz support this movement and send toi as many as people you can
.....................................................
Questionnaire
a) What according to you is ideally expected of Police, on receiving the FIR alleging an offence u/s 498A of IPC? What should be their approach and plan of action?
Ans: They like u/s 41 C of CrPC should ask the offender to come to police station ( except in case of death /severe limb injury of the women) and be asked to come on predetermined period. By this time police must complete the preliminary investigation say within a week, max a fortnight. The police station will in this time will sent it subdivisional level counselling centre and only after getting a report from there they will proceed to lodge the case when there is no death or serious limb injury. In other cases where death etc takes place ( max 25%) total cases police should proceed immediately.
b) Do you think that justice will be better meted out to the aggrieved woman by the immediate arrest and custodial interrogation of the husband and his relations named in the FIR? Would the objective of s.498A be better served thereby?
Ans: No custodial detention damages family tie mostly forever. If you want to get some examples Please contact us at ( www.abhiyan.webnode.com).
a)The Supreme Court laid down in D.K. Basu (1996) and other cases that the power of arrest without warrant ought not to be resorted to in a routine manner and that the Police officer should be reasonably satisfied about a person's complicity as well as the need to effect arrest. Don't you agree that this rule applies with greater force in a situation of matrimonial discord and the police are expected to act more discreetly and cautiously before taking the drastic step of arrest?
Ans: Yes this is very much necessary for police to make arrest in domestic relation problems to get a warrant in routine manner.
b) What steps should be taken to check indiscriminate and unwarranted arrests?
Ans: The answer is given below. The process of reconciliation should be followed except in case of deliberate death or serious limb injury .
Do you think that making the offence bailable is the proper solution to the problem? Will it be counter-productive?
Ans: For cases without death or serious limb injury that should be a proper solution. No it will never be counter productive.
There is a view point supported by certain observations in the courts' judgments that before effecting arrest in cases of this nature, the proper course would be to try the process of reconciliation by counselling both sides. In other words, the possibility of exploring reconciliation at the outset should precede punitive measures. Do you agree that the conciliation should be the first step, having regard to the nature and dimension of the problem? If so, how best the conciliation process could be completed with utmost expedition? Should there be a time-limit beyond which the police shall be free to act without waiting for the outcome of conciliation process?
Ans: In a country where a union cabinet minister is in demand of money the police if lead to act freely will compound the problem as happened in last 27 years. Counselling should be allowed after a cooling off period say one month etc.
Though the Police may tender appropriate advice initially and facilitate reconciliation process, the preponderance of view is that the Police should not get involved in the actual process and their role should be that of observer at that stage? Do you have a different view?
Ans: Most of police officers are illiterate with colonial mentality . Conselling should be done by local stalwarts in the police station area who are not cash starved . That is they must not use the reconcicliation process a money making one as most of the lawyers do. However initial counselling by officers in uniform in police station works.
a. In the absence of consensus as to mediators, who will be ideally suited to act as mediators/conciliators – the friends or elders known to both the parties or professional counsellors (who may be part of NGOs), lady and men lawyers who volunteer to act in such matters, a Committee of respected/retired persons of the locality or the Legal Services Authority of the District?
Ans: A battery consisting of Common friends/ professional counsellors, retired persons in the locality should be counsellors. Lawyers should be kept out of the process as they will try to find clients in such sessions. School teachers without political background may also be choosen. Gender neutral NGO's are also welcome in the move.
b) How to ensure that the officers in charge of police stations can easily identify and contact those who are well suited to conciliate or mediate, especially having regard to the fact that professional and competent counsellors may not be available at all places and any delay in initiating the process will lead to further complications?
Ans: The senior police and civil authority in a drive will form two such committee in every police station area /subdivisional area and will direct the warring parties to such body before enacting arrest. The mediation centres in courts are in poor condition . Such can also be merged with the courts mediation centre so that a police , court and civil administration based counsellors may be formed.
7) a) Do you think that on receipt of complaint under S.498A, immediate steps should be taken by the Police to facilitate an application being filed before the Judicial Magistrate under the PDV Act so that the Magistrate can set in motion the process of counselling/conciliation, apart from according interim protection?
Ans: Yes that should be process alternatively is counselling system cannot be developed in police subdisional level.
Should the Police in the meanwhile be left free to arrest the accused without the permission of the Magistrate?
Ans: Never . Because if it is done the and police is left free to arrest the accused the process will hardly bear any fruit.
b. Should the investigation be kept in abeyance till the conciliation process initiated by the Magistrate is completed?
Ans; No investigation can be continued and should continue. So that clear picture may evolve soon.
Do you think that the offence should be made compoundable (with the permission of court)?
Ans: Very welcome move and also very much needed one at this hour.
Are there any particular reasons not to make it compoundable?
Ans: Yes, just to continue a inhuman regime.
Do you consider it just and proper to differentiate the husband from the other accused in providing for bail?
Ans: Yes it is correct.
a. Do you envisage a better and more extensive role to be played by Legal Services Authorities (LSAs) at Taluka and District levels in relation to s.498A cases and for facilitating amicable settlement? Is there a need for better coordination between LSAs and police stations?
Ans: Yes very much . In North 24 parganas( West Bengal ) if you make an enquiry you will find a such bodies hardly functional in that stage.
b) Do you think that aggrieved women have easy access to LSAs at the grassroot level and get proper guidance and help from them at the pre-complaint and subsequent stages?
Ans: Yes, it will be really good if women or her relatives are directed to counselling before lodging a complaint . That can also be done by a senior police officer under community police system.
c)Are the Mediation Centres in some States well equipped and better suited to attend to the cases related to S,498-A?
Ans: No idea about other states. In North 24 Parganas ,( West Bengal ) it is very poorly equipped and is not allowed to function properly. The motive is clear that if there is no litigation a section of people will not survive as many of them are surviving saprophytically.
What measures do you suggest to spread awareness of the protective penal provisions and civil rights available to women in rural areas especially among the poorer sections of people?
Ans: Make registration of marriage mandatory. Give a leaflet to the men /women and they have to fill up a page in the marriage registration form under their handwriting about the laws.
Do you have any informations about the number of and conditions in shelter homes which are required to be set up under PDV Act to help the aggrieved women who after lodging the complaint do not wish to stay at marital home or there is none to look after them?
Ans; Yes I have information about such. In our state of West Bengal the conditioan is very poor and state run such dedicated home is nil. After getting statistics I feel that not more than 30 ( thirty) women needs such rehabilitation in our state as most of them stays back in their paternal house.
What according to you is the main reason for low conviction rate in the prosecutions u/s 498A?
Ans: Majority are False complaints that cannot face the trial. This clearly shows that 498 is actually becoming a torture on male and their family.
a. Is it desirable to have a Crime Against Women Cell (CWC) in every district to deal exclusively with the crimes such as S.498A? If so, what should be its composition and the qualifications of women police deployed in such a cell?
Ans: Instead every district police should have a Family Harmony Cell to deal with domestic vielceproblems. Under this cell let the counselling system function. Let this cell also handle the pre-complaint counselling. The process is as follows. Once a police station gets complaint it directs it to the cell who informs the both the parties for counselling. Once the counselling fails then only it is reverted back to police station for action . This type of cell must be supervised officer of not less than SDPO rank.
b. As the present experience shows, it is likely that wherever a CWC is set up, there may be substantial number of unfilled vacancies and the personnel may not have undergone the requisite training. In this situation, whether it would be advisable to entrust the investigation etc. to CWC to the exclusion of the jurisdictional Police Station?
Ans: It is for the shortage and training a two central counselling system consisting three person will be functioning. This will definitely not be very hard to run. Volunteers may be inducted and four teams may be formed for weekly counselling. This system if formed in sub-divisional level will really work as we had seen this with at least 500 cases.
regards
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[HumJanenge] karnataka state consumner commission
Those who are connected to juducial system in India.
For one of the case against the builder in Karnataka State Consumer commission. I got to know that builder is not coming to the court. Still there is no Ex parte decision
Court Hall Proceedings
| Posted For | Posted on | Action Taken | Order Passed if any |
| Admission | 14/08/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Admission | 28/08/2009 | notice | |
| Notice | 29/10/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Notice | 27/11/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Notice | 22/12/2009 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 27/01/2010 | Affidavit filed | |
| Arguments | 30/03/2010 | Judgement Reserved | |
| Judgements | 07/04/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 17/06/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 01/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 15/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 22/07/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 20/08/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 16/09/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Arguments | 02/11/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Orders | 23/11/2010 | Adjourned | |
| Orders | 06/01/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 03/02/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Version | 07/02/2011 | Version Filed | |
| Version | 17/02/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 11/03/2011 | Adjourned | |
| Affidavit | 12/04/2011 |
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Any idea why is it taking so long ?
Thanks
Abhinav
"
Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts...
"
Use of Unparliamentary language in e-mails/Re: [HumJanenge] DoPT concedes on RTI Rules
My humble request not to use parliamentary language in mails meant for group circulation e.g. use of words like 'gharelu kutta' and h****is in the below mail. Emotions understood.
Thanks & Regards
Thanks & Regards
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 2 April, 2011 6:13:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] DoPT concedes on RTI Rules
Dear Karira
After reading the DoPT circular I referred to, how did you come to the
conclusion that I am the one behind getting penalties imposed on
frivolous applicants by the CIC.
To the contrary, all the matter in the public domain makes it clear
1) That CIC wants powers to to penalise / imprison frivolous
applicants / appellants
2) That NCPRI founders are running dogs of the imperialist CIC and
that Mr Shailesh Gandhi (ex NCPRI convenor) is now elevated to the
exalted status of 'gharelu kutta'.
3) That the DoPT circular clearly mentions that Aruna Roy, Shekar
Singh, Nikhil De etc participated in CIC's meeting where this
outrageous demand was taken up for consideration and there is not a
whimper of disagreement from them recorded..
Is it not curious that when we are the only citizens who seek to
defend the RTI movement against such h****is, there is a cacophony of
orchestrated protest which seeks to question our motives and impugn
our bonafides. This actually shows that we are on the right track.
Sarbajit
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:24 PM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr. Sarbajit,
> Let the CIC first do its defined job properly !
> Let it first tell us how many show cause notices issued by ICs
> How many show cause notices were responded to ?
> How many penalties levied ?
> How many penalties contested in Courts ?
> How many penalties actually paid ?
> They don't even do that properly.
> Why do you want to burden these poor senior citizens with more decision
> making and more work ?
> Leave them alone.
> RTIwanted
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2011 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] DoPT concedes on RTI Rules
>
> And tomorrow is 2nd April !!
>
> No doubt the Govt has powers to set fees and recover costs for
> enabling RTI provisions. Each of the fees and costs they have now
> agreed to levy can be justified under RTI Act. As such we do not want
> to appeal these.
>
> The one we plan to file a 2nd appeal to CIC is to be informed on the
> specific provisions of RTI Act which enable a penalty to be levied on
> frivolous / vexatious APPELLANTS. (please note this is not levied on
> frivolous APPLICANTS) and the reasoning on how this forms part of
> Appeal Procedure.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Members, please remember that today is 1st April !
>> ________________________________
>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2011 12:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] DoPT concedes on RTI Rules
>>
>> Summary of latest status on DoPT's RTI Rules in reply to 3 RTIs and
>> after 1 decided first appeal.
>>
>> FEES:
>> 1) No change in RTI Application fee. It stays at Rs.10
>> 2) First Appeal fees fixed at Rs 25 or Court Fee in concerned State
>> under Court Fee Act, whichever is higher.
>> 3) Second Appeal fee to CIC fixed at Rs 250
>> NB: Third parties have been exempted from paying appeal fees.
>>
>> COSTS:
>> 1) Costs on hire of machinery, is prescribed for color photocopy
>> (Rs.20 per A3/A4 page) and scanning of documents (Rs. 5 per A3/A4
>> page)
>> 2) Forwarding Cost u/s 6(3) is fixed at Rs.50 per transfer
>> 3) Cost of issuing Third Party notice u/s 11 is fixed at Rs. 50 per
>> notice.
>>
>> FINES:
>> The CIC is being given powers to levy fines upto Rs. 10,000 on /
>> vexatious appellants as part of appeal procedure. It is not clear
>> which provision / section of RTI Act the DoPT intends to use to
>> justify this. We are planning to file 2nd appeal to CIC.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
[HumJanenge] SIC 's listing on your website.
Dear Sirs:
I am surprised that though persmin site states that it is updated till today, when I visit SIC list, I find that Maharashtra chief sic is named Mr Joshi who has retired long time before and other names like R, Tiwari CONTINES! He has been dismissed long time before.Pl update the list of all states.SICs.
--
Narayan Varma
56B Mittal Tower,
210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
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I am surprised that though persmin site states that it is updated till today, when I visit SIC list, I find that Maharashtra chief sic is named Mr Joshi who has retired long time before and other names like R, Tiwari CONTINES! He has been dismissed long time before.Pl update the list of all states.SICs.
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Narayan Varma
56B Mittal Tower,
210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
RTI PCGT helpline 09322882288
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