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Sunday, December 26, 2010

Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar

TO MEMBERS

Right to service proposed in Bihar is only a subset of section 4 RTI
ACT which reqquires public authorities to publish norms for its
functioning.

Right to service ACT may only add some penalties for non compliance to
these norms already required by RTI ACT, such as time to issue birth
certificate, police verification for passport etc. and make it
enforceable

S D Sharma

From: Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

dear ravi ji

i will try to arrange it
thanks

ajay

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Mr Dubey
>
> Can we have a copy of the act if you have it in digital form?
>
> regards n bw
>
> ravi
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dear friends
>>
>> madhya pradesh govt has already introduced this kind of law in oct 2010
>> which is known as mp public service gurantee act 2010.
>>
>> thanks
>> ajay dubey
>> 09893094043
>> bhopal mp
>>

Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar

dear ravi ji

i will try to arrange it

thanks

ajay

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Dubey

Can we have a copy of the act if you have it in digital form?

regards n bw

ravi

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com> wrote:

dear friends

madhya pradesh govt has already introduced this kind of law in oct 2010 which is known as mp public service gurantee act 2010.

thanks

ajay dubey

09893094043

bhopal mp

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM, K N Jagadesh kumar <jkgroup999@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends & Humjanenge

The New chief Minister of Bihar , Mr. Nitish Kumar has propsed for a new legislature in Bihar that is " Right To service".

If this bill becomes law , bihar will be the first state to introduce a new law "Right to Service" which can make the "RTI act 2005" more stronger .

let the year 2011 be more peoples friendly and bihar people will the first to utilize such service in the country.

i feel the Union governmnet & all state governmnet should enact " Right to service" .

Thank u

--
K N Jagadesh Kumar
9845500932
jkgroup999@gmail.com

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Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar

can u please give me basic info abt right to service introduced by nitesh kumar in bihar

with regrds

From: manish dixit <manish_dixit1100@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 26 December, 2010 11:14:38 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar

Dear all

Though Madhya Pradesh Government has introduced similar legislation in October, 2010. Not a single case has been registered against any official, which indicats that either all is well in Madhya Pradesh or manderian of government not intends taking action against them. One should appriciate Nitish Kumar for taking strengent action against corrupt babus and confescating their properties. In fact, such bold step is the need of hour.
--- On Sat, 25/12/10, Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 25 December, 2010, 7:57 PM

dear friends

madhya pradesh govt has already introduced this kind of law in oct 2010 which is known as mp public service gurantee act 2010.

thanks

ajay dubey

09893094043

bhopal mp

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM, K N Jagadesh kumar <jkgroup999@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends & Humjanenge

The New chief Minister of Bihar , Mr. Nitish Kumar has propsed for a new legislature in Bihar that is " Right To service".

If this bill becomes law , bihar will be the first state to introduce a new law "Right to Service" which can make the "RTI act 2005" more stronger .

let the year 2011 be more peoples friendly and bihar people will the first to utilize such service in the country.

i feel the Union governmnet & all state governmnet should enact " Right to service" .

Thank u

--
K N Jagadesh Kumar
9845500932
jkgroup999@gmail.com

[HumJanenge] COMMENTS / OBJECTIONS / SUGGESTIONS : ref:PN/DoPT/OM/2010/RTI/AAA-0000-022

To:
The Government of India, by
Shri R.K.Girdhar
Under-Secretary/RTI
Department of Personnel and Training, North Block
New Delhi 110011

1) CONFIDENTIAL,
2) SECRET,
3) My Intellectual property,
4) Not to be disclosed to any unauthorised person,
5) Not to be disclosed to any private person whatsoever,
6) Not to be disclosed to Prime Minister or his office,
7) Not to be disclosed to National Advisory Council,
8) Not to be disclosed under Right to Information except to myself,

BY EMAIL:

Date: 26-December-2010
Your Ref: OM dated 10.12.2010 in File No.1/35/2008-IR (draft RTI Rules)
Our Ref: PN/DoPT/OM/2010/RTI/AAA-0000-022
Subject Objections and/or Suggestions to the amendments proposed

Sir,

I refer to the above citations and your subject OM. I am caused to submit the following objection(s) and/or suggestion(s) to the same.
This is separate, distinct and without prejudice to other objections I may submit from time to time within the period allowed..

http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/RTI/RTI_rules_01122010-1.pdf

I OBJECT to certain aspects of the proposed Rules concerning the procedure followed by the Commission while deciding the appeals, for REASONS as listed:

1) For, whereas s/s 27(2) accords priority to prescribing the procedure to be folowed by the Commission, these rules merely list some methods by which the Commission may receive evidence and hear various persons.

2) For no specific "memorandum of appeal" (as distinguished from 'format for appeal") has been prescribed

3) For no memorandum for blind or illiterate persons has been prescribed

4) For no fee for appeal to Commission has been prescribed as is required by the provisions of the Court Fees Act (2nd Schedule)

5) For no declaration has been prescribed that the appeal falls within the jurisdiction of the Commission in the memorandum of appeal.

6) For no rendition has been prescribed to specify (i) the facts at issue or (ii) the questions of law in the memorandum of appeal.

7) For no declaration has been prescribed concerning whether the matter is pending before any court of law or competent tribunal etc. in the memorandum of appeal.

8) For no explanation of grounds along with the legal provisions applicable has been prescribed in the memorandum of appeal.

9) For no reliefs sought has been prescribed in the memorandum of appeal.

10) For advocates, and other legal practitioners must not be allowed in proceedings before the Commission in any capacity whatsoever until the Commission has provisions for legal member(s) in every bench. It may be noted that the qualifications and experience of the Information Commissioners allow for even person without legal background or qualification to be appointed. It would therefore be grossly unfair and discriminatory to the Commissioners if advocates or other legal practitioners are allowed to appear and/or directly address the Commission.

11) For right of hearing to the appellant is mandated by section 19(5) of the Act which mandates the Public Information Officer to prove the denial of information. This clause necessarily requires the appellant to be present to disprove any evidence tendered including by cross examination. I also say that video-conferencing and audio-conferencing be specifically disallowed, as these do not facilitate the evidentiary process when proving of documents is involved..

12) For no period has been prescribed within which the 2nd Appeal to the Commission must be disposed of.

I therefore SUGGEST that the operative portions of the proposed Rules be amended / deleted so as to incorporate all my concerns as stated above

Submitted in my individual capacity by

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Re: [HumJanenge] "Right to service" legislature in bihar by nitish kumar

Dear Mr Dubey

Can we have a copy of the act if you have it in digital form?

regards n bw

ravi

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Ajay Dubey <ajay20dubey@gmail.com> wrote:

dear friends

madhya pradesh govt has already introduced this kind of law in oct 2010 which is known as mp public service gurantee act 2010.

thanks

ajay dubey

09893094043

bhopal mp

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM, K N Jagadesh kumar <jkgroup999@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends & Humjanenge

The New chief Minister of Bihar , Mr. Nitish Kumar has propsed for a new legislature in Bihar that is " Right To service".

If this bill becomes law , bihar will be the first state to introduce a new law "Right to Service" which can make the "RTI act 2005" more stronger .

let the year 2011 be more peoples friendly and bihar people will the first to utilize such service in the country.

i feel the Union governmnet & all state governmnet should enact " Right to service" .

Thank u

--
K N Jagadesh Kumar
9845500932
jkgroup999@gmail.com

[HumJanenge] COMMENTS / OBJECTIONS / SUGGESTIONS : ref:PN/DoPT/OM/2010/RTI/AAA-0000-021

I am given to understand that some representations have been received at the Ministry of Personnel to extend the time period to submit comments to the above cited proposal.

I OBJECT to any extension of time being given to anyone to submit their comments, objections or suggestions etc.for the REASON that the MoP is yet to publish its mandatory proactive disclosure u/s 4(1)(b) of the RTI Act concerning the processes for public consultation. Any extension would therefore be arbitrary and liable to challenge and would discriminate against those persons like me who had responded in time and unduly favour the laggards and blaggards.

It is pertinent that I am given to understand from the media that the National Advisory Council is not able to come up with their representation as yet and is instead organising representations seeking more time.