Sunday, December 5, 2010

Re: [HumJanenge] RTI-2005

Partly yes and partly No.

Please furnish from which private department do you need information.

If you take my personal example, I have accessed the appointment
orders of a private company through Labour Department under Shops &
Commercial Establishment.
--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-92410-12730

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC to resign and be appointed as CIC

dear sarbajit .
hopefully i am not tricked  and branded disrutive as yet.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Abhimanyu and list

1) I do not divulge my sources

2) Sometimes group owners/moderators have to identify disruptive
elements by trick questions such as these.

3) Have you ever wondered why the RTI activist scene is so quiet now
about appointment on next CCIC and ICs. Think about it. Where are all
those people who were screaming loudly about transparency in
appointments ?

Sarbajit

On 12/4/10, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
> by the way who told you that thomas is being appointed as CCIC ????
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC to resign and be appointed as CIC

Dear Gupta

What you perhaps don't know is that all those people who were ORGANISING
the screaming and shouting about transparent appointments have already
made their deals concerning CIC/IC appointments.

These jackals are like the so-called third front, completely hollow inside,
and just dependent on fixing, blackmail and patronage to survive. You can
be assured that the next Central Commission is going to be a completely
corrupt and biased one (although it will seem very good from the outside).

As list moderators we use many methods to identify and control both the
quantity and quality of emails posted to the members. In the present case
it was amusing to see how many gullible people there are on the group
who post messages for no rhyme or reason.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Dear Sarab,
>
> Why r u feeling the punch? The persons who were screaming loudly about
> transparency in appointments are very much here and what is wrong in their
> screaming for that? Don't u agree that the appointments to
> Commissions should be transparent with competent and independent
> incumbents?
> To inendify the so called disruptive elements by trick, such doubtful /
> baseless questions should not be put on the blog as they confuse the members
> and send wrong message.
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 5 December, 2010 12:14:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CVC to resign and be appointed as CIC
>
> Dear Abhimanyu and list
>
> 1) I do not divulge my sources
>
> 2) Sometimes group owners/moderators have to identify disruptive
> elements by trick questions such as these.
>
> 3) Have you ever wondered why the RTI activist scene is so quiet now
> about appointment on next CCIC and ICs. Think about it. Where are all
> those people who were screaming loudly about transparency in
> appointments ?
>
> Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue

Please file a criminal complaint with Economic offence wing, Crime branch and it would not affect your case filed consumer court as that one to secure civil part and this one would cover the criminality committed by the builder.
 
 
atul gulati


--- On Sun, 5/12/10, Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue
To: "Victor Cooper" <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Cc: "acb" <acb_india@yahoogroups.com>, "LK Advani" <advanilk@sansad.nic.in>, "Asian Age" <editor@asianage.com>, "Mani Shankar Aiyar" <msaiyar@hotmail.com>, "Goa Bachao" <goabachaoabhiyan@gmail.com>, "Vikas Bahuguna" <vikasbahuguna2005@gmail.com>, "World Bank" <enora@worldbank.org>, "Common Cause" <commoncauseindia@gmail.com>, "Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "Cybugle" <thecybugle@yahoogroups.com>, "eGovINDIA" <eGovINDIA@yahoogroups.com>, "Frontline" <frontline@thehindu.co.in>, "Sonia Gandhi" <soniagandhi@sansad.nic.in>, "goarti" <goarti@yahoogroups.com>, "Herald" <mail@herald-goa.com>, "Humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>, "IHRO" <IHRO@yahoogroups.com>, "Transparency India" <tiindia.newdelhi@gmail.com>, "Times of India" <toi.goa@timesgroup.com>, "Issues" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>, "Presm Jha" <premjha@airtelmail.in>, "denson joseph" <densonj76@yahoo.co.in>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "RD Khalap" <rdkhalap@rediffmail.com>, "Veerappa Moily" <vmoily@kar.nic.in>, "Narayan Murthy" <nmurthy@infosys.com>, "Jago Party" <jagoparty@jago.in>, "PM" <pmindia@pmindia.nic.in>, "President" <presidentofindia@rb.nic.in>, PWAP@yahoogroups.com, "rti4" <rti4ngo@yahoogroups.com>, "Kapil Sibal" <kapilsibal@hotmail.com>, "Manmohan Singh" <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>, "Business Standard" <niraj.bhatt@bsmail.in>, "Tehelka" <editor@tehelka.com>, "Navhind Times" <lpost@navhindtimes.com>, "Gomantak Times" <gteditor@gmail.com>, "voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.com>, "Voicesforfreedom" <voicesforfreedom@voicesforfreedom.org>, "VP" <vpindia@sansad.nic.in>, "Janshakti yahoogroups" <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 1:22 PM

In my case builder's fault are flagrantly visible. As I have been cornering him for past 6 months. I have a copy of the judgement from Bangalore consumer court where in for the same builder, and apartment complex court has granted minor relief to the customer. The customer then approached the higher court and was granted full relief from the builder.

Even I have decided, to pursue this, however long it may take.

--Abhinav

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, the judicial system is seriously problematic for the average citizen.  As there is no audio-video recording of the proceedings, I found the judges play havoc with their  notings in the roznama and other tricks to favour this or that party. They even refuse to take applications on record! So, to partly cover for this, I have been sending through registered post, but even this fails at times!  Presently, despite vehment representations by my advocate, I am denied my right to rebuttal by the clever noting in the roznama as "for clarifications".  The new President says the clarifications are meant for him to seek, if necessary!!??

I am investigating if I could sue the "judge" and bring her to justice.  But all the lawyers are scared (so I guess one should be too?).

The other problem is that the courts are measly, to the point of being hilarious and/or bringing tears of anger, in their "awards".  What does one say to costs of Rs. 1000 or 5000 for a three or five year battle that actually cost maybe 1 lac?  Does not that actually reward the wrongdoer?  What about awards of Rs. 10,000 for mental harassment over 3 maybe five years, that ruined your and your family's life?  Even a puppy costs Rs. 1 or even 3 lacs today.

But, I hope you have obtained "expert opinion" and placed same on record?  And dont forget to cross-examine the builder.  And, if you are fighting the case yourself, you will be handicapped on account of limited knowledge of law and proccedures. Therefore, keep Order dated 9th July, 2007 by National Commission in Mrs. Veena Khanna v. Ansal Properties Ltd. (and similar otheres) as your defence line.

Regards,
Victor


--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue
To: "Victor Cooper" <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 11:12 PM


I am also facing a trouble with a Bangalore based builder and soon would move to State Consumer Commission. I got to know that your success depends on the advocate you select. The advocate has some understanding with the judicial officer and gets the judgement in your favor.
--Abhinav

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Abhinav:

I am already before the State Consumer Commission since 3 years.  But the builder is very powerful industrialist, and not helpful.

But thank you for taking time to write to me.

Regards,
Victor


--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Abhinav <a.h.agarwal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue
To: victor99cooper@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 9:53 PM


Move to consumer forum, and pray for return of your money along with penal interest. Start the process immediately. Chances are that builder will try to settle the case outside court.
--Abhinav

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:
I purchased a flat 3 years ago.
1.  The builder, a private ltd. company, fails-refuses to execute sale deed under this or that excuse.
The representation-sale was done by its Marketing manager, so there is a case against him. But do I have a cheating case ... against the Managing Director also?

2.  The builder was obligated to obtain NOC from navy prior to construction, but failed to do so.  Moreover, the builder made false representation in the Agreement to Sell that they had obtained such NOC.

What law covers the aviation sector and this NOC?

3.  Is is better to first file a complaint with police or directly with the court?

Thanks,
Regards,
Victor







Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue

Sir,
 
Yes you have a cheating and forgery case against M.D. as well as well as civil case too, for details send us the documents.
Regards,
Rajeev Yadav,
National President,
Adhikaar the rights path,
+919811242471.

--- On Sun, 5/12/10, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: victor99cooper@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 5:37 PM

humjanenge@googlegroups.com is a contact of rajneesh madhok
Approve sender | Boxbe

RE: [HumJanenge] RTI-2005 Data bank where past replies especailly related to mumbai could be accessed

 Pls inform if there is any site where past RTI replies (Mumbai related) r posted, where an information portal create wherein visitors can access information already acquired through RTI Act. Such website could create a common platform, thereby reducing the replication of application process,which not only turns out t...o be a waste of resources but also becomes a burden on the state exchequer.
 
rgds,
jitendra gupta

 

Re: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue


To the best of my knowledge, if you have got an agreement to sale, than by virtue of that a Sale Deed can be registered. Still it is advisable to consult a lawyer.
 
Bimal Khemani
RTI activist
ALIGARH-202001
INDIA
Mob:935-972-4625


--- On Sun, 5/12/10, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Request to for guidance in legal issue
To: "acb" <acb_india@yahoogroups.com>, "Cybugle" <thecybugle@yahoogroups.com>, "eGovINDIA" <eGovINDIA@yahoogroups.com>, "Humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>, "IHRO" <IHRO@yahoogroups.com>, "Transparency India" <tiindia.newdelhi@gmail.com>, "Issues" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>, "Karmayog" <infor@karmayog.org>, "Jago Party" <jagoparty@jago.in>, "voiceofindia" <voiceofindiagroup@yahoogroups.com>, "Voicesforfreedom" <voicesforfreedom@voicesforfreedom.org>, "Janshakti yahoogroups" <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>, "Humanrightsactivist Yahoogroups" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 5:03 AM

I purchased a flat 3 years ago.
1.  The builder, a private ltd. company, fails-refuses to execute sale deed under this or that excuse.
The representation-sale was done by its Marketing manager, so there is a case against him. But do I have a cheating case ... against the Managing Director also?

2.  The builder was obligated to obtain NOC from navy prior to construction, but failed to do so.  Moreover, the builder made false representation in the Agreement to Sell that they had obtained such NOC.

What law covers the aviation sector and this NOC?

3.  Is is better to first file a complaint with police or directly with the court?

Thanks,
Regards,
Victor