| Dear comrades ! II JAIGURUDEV II, II NAMO BUDHAYA II, II OM VANDE MAATRAM II This extremely reliable top secret brought to my notice very ago that Sonia was planted / plotted in Indira Nehru family ( unfortunately ruling dynasty of Bharat) by CIA ( U. S. intelligence agency) to serve the inherent interest of USA through her. She has been performing very honestly with perfect dedication & devotion.Whole citizens of our country are responsible for such a critical & crucial situation. if it is wrong then why huge amount was given as aid to U.S.A.during recession period? Why huge import is continued from U.S.? Why U.S. based MNCs are allowed to loot our economy in trillions? Why during natural disasters- earthquakes and floods, Pakistan was given huge aids by Bharat ? In all these ways/ routes, Pakistan is benefited to use this huge amount/resources to nurture the terrorism against Bharat. Who is behind all these ? Sonia is chairman of UPA government. She is ruling the nation in the name of Pyare Mohan. Condemnation is not the ultimate solution but let us come with our socio- spiritual organisations under the umbrella of Bharat Swabhiman movement launched by H.H. Yogrishi Swami Ram Dev. Bharat Swamibhiman will bring the solution. Sincerely yours Dr. V. D. Sharma (Gandhian Thinker& Associate Professor ) Department of Business Economics(Faculty of Mgt. Studies) V. B. S. Purvanchal University Jaunpur- 222 001 (UP) India Mobile No. +91- 9415895388, 9335010337, 9919883533 --- On Sun, 7/11/10, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
|
Sunday, November 7, 2010
Re: [HumJanenge] Sonia routes her US$2 billion commission to Pakistan
Re: [HumJanenge] Sonia routes her US$2 billion commission to Pakistan
Can you send copy of RTI reply where information
will not be provided till 2020 to the citizens on this
arms deal. Deal for MRCA has not been finalized
as yet. many more Presidents and Prime Minsters
will be visiting India to make jobs for them.
will not be provided till 2020 to the citizens on this
arms deal. Deal for MRCA has not been finalized
as yet. many more Presidents and Prime Minsters
will be visiting India to make jobs for them.
On 11/6/10, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends
>
> The nation is being raped by foreigners and their rubber stamps
> Consider this
>
> 1) India signs US$ 10 billion commercial deals with United States
> 2) United States gives US$ 2 billion as military "aid" to Pakistan.
> 3) Pakistan will promptly return this "aid" back to India.
>
> When Obama visits Mumbai for 26/11 victims, he does not refer
> even once to Pakistan in his speech. Instead Obama insists that
> Indian Army and Indian Airforce must buy US fighter planes in
> a secret deal not even to be revealed in RTI till 2020. Manmohan
> Singh welcomes that 50,000 jobs will be created in USA by these
> orders.
>
> Let us all condemn the foreigners who are running this country and
> their anti-national policies.
>
> S D Sharma
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Royintoday's Pioneer
Sir
Then at least tell him not to spew senseless venom like this.
In anticipation of not getting a regret filled response from you again,
Kind regards.
Sir
Mr Sharma is a valued member / resource person for this group.
I must regretfully inform you that we cannot accede to your request
for the present.
PMK1504
Then at least tell him not to spew senseless venom like this.
In anticipation of not getting a regret filled response from you again,
Kind regards.
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
From: PMK1504 <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:17:39 -0700
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy intoday's Pioneer
Mr Sharma is a valued member / resource person for this group.
I must regretfully inform you that we cannot accede to your request
for the present.
PMK1504
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:30 PM, <kggk05@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Mr. Moderator, please kick SD Sharma out of the group.Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
From: "S.D. Sharma" <anonsharma@yahoo.com>Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.comDate: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:42:04 -0700ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's PioneerYou are talking like wazahat sahib. approach you are suggesting has not worked for over 60 yaers. India must pull out its troops to jammu, use neutron bomb and solve problem finally. Kashmiri youth are asking to be killed, why are they throwing stones and bombs. Rape is effective mean for army to control and dominate. Indian soldiers spend many months away from wive and family. since no local brothels and too many rti queries then raping local girls is best low cost solution Also it is scientific fact that 1 muslim man cannot satisfy 4 wives so where is harm if Indian army helps local poplation.
S D SharmaOn Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
The easiest way to solve kashmir problem is to WIN OVER the hearts and minds of the kashmiris ..this cannot be done through raping kashmiri gilrs and killing kashmiri youth.The history is evident that we failed to win kashmir through raping and killing .now lets try to win over kashmir through attemps made to win over hearts and minds of kashmiris.
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr
You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion.
ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem
S D Sharma
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com> wrote:
Friends,
My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc.
There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here.
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1
As an alternative link-
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml
Amitabh Thakur
IPS,
Currently at IIM Lucknow
# 94155-34526
Re: [HumJanenge]
Thank you Mr Ajit and happy Diwali to you too
Subhash Lomte
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Adv. Ajit Deshmukh <advajitdeshmukh@gmail.com> wrote:
happy diwali to you and your group.
--
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer
Dear Harsh
From the records, you are not a member of this group It appears that
messages from this group are reaching you from a forwarding facility
associated with [rti4empowerment] @yahoogroups from which you have
also previously attempted to unsubscribe, and from which facility
emails may be seamlessly posted to this group in addition. As you are
caught up in some sort of private war between moderators of 2 other
mailing lists you may request them to unsubscribe you. The previous
correspondence is appended below for your reference
PMK
"Dear Shri Mander,
You are not in the mailing list of yahoo groups rti4ngo and rti4empowerment,
initiated by me. Therefore I can not help in unsubscribing.
Group rti_india is managed by Shri Sarbjit Roy He is being requested to do
the needful. You can also unsubscribe by sending email to
rti_india-unsubscribe@...
With best wishes,
Dhirendra Krishna
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Harsh Mander <manderharsh@...>wrote:
> dear dhirendraji,
> i have been trying desperately to unsubscribe. do please rndure, i will be
> grateful.
> warm regards,
> harsh mander
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dhirendra Krishna" <
> Dhirendra.rti@...>
> To: <rti_india@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re:"You may also note that public servants are
> prohibited from joining / postin
>
>
> Dear Shri Roy,
>
> It is a matter of interpretation, Sir.
>
> You and I, as moderators of RTI related groups are not the competent
> authority to interpret the provisions of CCS (Conduct) Rules and Govt. of
> India decisions there-under. We can only decide on the objectives of the
> Internet group and act as a moderator.
>
> RTI Act is a law passed by the Parliament and Government is required to
> implement it. If an Internet group is a "movement" to voice citizen's
> concern about its non implementation, I believe that it is not an activity
> to embarrass or excite dissatisfaction against the Government. As a matter
> of fact, most of the RTI applications demand public records that may
> embarrass Government. If you carefully look at the preamble of RTI Act, the
> enactment is for transparency of information for holding Government
> accountable to the governed. It is further stated therein that transparency
> of information is vital for containing corruption. If we believe in
> paramountcy of the democratic ideal, public servants should be aware of the
> deep anguish of the citizens on issues arising from lack of transparency.
>
> RTI Act intends to usher in transparent and accountable public
> administration. In my humble opinion ( and also in the opinion of
> Administrative Reforms Commission on RTI implementation) every public
> servant should be aware of RTI Act, so that they can fulfill the
> obligations
> of public authority in letter and spirit. At the nascent stage of
> implementation of RTI Act, there are controversies and some of these
> debatable issues are aired in the Internet group. Every *good* public
> servant should not only be aware of citizen's concern about unsatisfactory
> implementation of RTI Act and issues revealed by use of RTI Act by
> citizens.
> If membership of Internet groups enables Government servants to become
> aware
> of these issues, it is in public interest for them to remain as Member of
> such group.
>
> Let us leave it to the Government to give their decisions under CCS
> (Conduct) Rules; it is not for the moderator on groups to decide one way
> or
> the other. If the Government ever decides to ban membership of RTI related
> Internet groups for Government employees, there are adequate grounds for
> public interest litigation against it. This could be an interesting debate
> before the Supreme Court !
>
> For the present, none of the RTI related groups have been banned under CCS
> (Conduct) Rules. It is not for moderators (like you and me) to dissuade
> public servant from Membership.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Dhirendra Krishna IA&AS (Retired)
> Moderator,
> Yahoo groups rti4ngo and rti4empwerment.
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@...> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Dear Mr Krishna
>>
>> Many thanks for the Govt decision (of Finance Ministry). It supports our
>> view that direct participation of Govt servants in SPECIALISED "political"
>> internet groups such as ours is restricted. It is always open to any Govt
>> to
>> ban a group or clarify that a groups ex-facie falls within the mischief of
>> Rule 5, but such action cannot be an exhaustive compendium.
>>
>> The ilustrative explanation to the old rule holds political movement to
>> include "any movement or activities tending directly or indirectly to
>> excite
>> disaffection against, or to embarrass, the
>> Government as by law established" .. I think our groups fall squarely
>> within such definition.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> --- In rti_india@... <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>, Dhirendra
>> Krishna <Dhirendra.rti@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Shri Sarbajit,
>> >
>> > This has been clarified in Government of India Decision number 1, given
>> > below.
>> >
>> > In my humble opinion, if a Government servant participates in an >
>> internet
>> > discussion group, it does not amount to "taking part in politics or
>> > election" OR "assisting political movement or activity." Each officer is
>> > required to judge for himself (or herself) whether participation in
>> internet
>> > group dealing with citizen's right to information is a violation of Rule
>> 5
>> > of CCS (Conduct) Rule- depending on activities and content of each >
>> group.
>> If
>> > he/she has any doubts, his/her superior can be consulted.
>> >
>> > Several organisations have been specifically banned by the Government
>> > under Rule 5 as per various Government decision under Rule 5; none of >
>> the
>> > internet discussion groups have been banned. As such there is no bar on
>> > Government servants membership of any internet group. Your or my opinion
>> > does not matter; it is for the Government of India to frame conduct >
>> rules
>> > for the Government servants.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dhirendra Krishna
>> >
>>
>> ....................................................................................................................................................
>> >
>> > Government of India Decisions
>> >
>> > (1) Participation of Government servants in political activities
>> >
>> > Doubts have been raised recently as to the scope of Rule 23 (i) of the
>> > Government Servants Conduct Rules (now Rule 5) which lays down that no
>> > Government servant shall take part in, subscribe in aid of, or assist in
>> any
>> > way, any political movement in India or relating to Indian affairs.
>> > According to the Explanation (not in the new rule) to that clause, the
>> > expression "political movement" includes any movement or activities
>> tending
>> > directly or indirectly to excite disaffection against, or to embarrass,
>> the
>> > Government as by law established or to promote feelings of hatred of
>> enemity
>> > between classes of His Majesty's subjects or disturb the public peace.
>> This
>> > explanation is only illustrative and is not intended in any sense, to be
>> an
>> > exhaustive definition of "political movement". Whether or not the aims
>> and
>> > activities of any organization are political is a question of fact which
>> has
>> > to be decided on the merits of each case. It is, in the opinion of
>> > Government, necessary, however, that the Government servants under the
>> > Ministry of Finance etc. should be warned that –
>> >
>> > (a) it is the duty of the Government servant who wishes to join, or take
>> > part in the activities of any association or organization positively to
>> > satisfy himself that its aim and activities are not of such a nature as
>> are
>> > likely to be objectionable under Rule 23 of the Government Servants'
>> Conduct
>> > Rules (now rule 5); and
>> >
>> > (b) the responsibility for the consequences of his decision and action
>> must
>> > rest squarely on his shoulders and that a plea of ignorance or
>> misconception
>> > as to Government's attitude towards the association or organization >
>> would
>> > not be tenable.
>> >
>> > It should also be impressed on them that, in cases where the slightest
>> doubt
>> > exists as to whether participation in the activities of an association >
>> or
>> > orgaisation involves as infringement of Rule 23 (now Rule 5), the
>> Government
>> > servant would be well advised to consult his official superiors.
>> >
>> > [MHA OM No. 25/44/49-Ests (A), dated 17.09.1949]
>> >
>> > "Government of India Decisions
>> >
>> > (1) Participation of Government servants in political activities
>> >
>> > Doubts have been raised recently as to the scope of Rule 23 (i) of the
>> > Government Servants Conduct Rules (now Rule 5) which lays down that no
>> > Government servant shall take part in, subscribe in aid of, or assist in
>> any
>> > way, any political movement in India or relating to Indian affairs.
>> > According to the Explanation (not in the new rule) to that clause, the
>> > expression "political movement" includes any movement or activities
>> tending
>> > directly or indirectly to excite disaffection against, or to embarrass,
>> the
>> > Government as by law established or to promote feelings of hatred of
>> enemity
>> > between classes of His Majesty's subjects or disturb the public peace.
>> This
>> > explanation is only illustrative and is not intended in any sense, to be
>> an
>> > exhaustive definition of "political movement". Whether or not the aims
>> and
>> > activities of any organization are political is a question of fact which
>> has
>> > to be decided on the merits of each case. It is, in the opinion of
>> > Government, necessary, however, that the Government servants under the
>> > Ministry of Finance etc. should be warned that –
>> >
>> > (a) it is the duty of the Government servant who wishes to join, or take
>> > part in the activities of any association or organization positively to
>> > satisfy himself that its aim and activities are not of such a nature as
>> are
>> > likely to be objectionable under Rule 23 of the Government Servants'
>> Conduct
>> > Rules (now rule 5); and
>> >
>> > (b) the responsibility for the consequences of his decision and action
>> must
>> > rest squarely on his shoulders and that a plea of ignorance or
>> misconception
>> > as to Government's attitude towards the association or organization >
>> would
>> > not be tenable.
>> >
>> > It should also be impressed on them that, in cases where the slightest
>> doubt
>> > exists as to whether participation in the activities of an association >
>> or
>> > orgaisation involves as infringement of Rule 23 (now Rule 5), the
>> Government
>> > servant would be well advised to consult his official superiors.
>> >
>> > [MHA OM No. 25/44/49-Ests (A), dated 17.09.1949]"
>> >
>>
>> ............................................................................................................................................................
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Many Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Gov servants are restricted from OPENLY associating with groups such >
>> > as
>> > > "RTI_India" , "RTI4ngo" (of which Mr Krishna is Moderator) etc which
>> are
>> > > listed in "Politics" category of Yahoo groups. As Moderators it is our
>> duty
>> > > to facilitate participation of ALL citizens in RTI processes - and
>> anonymous
>> > > participation is one of the methods open to us.
>> > >
>> > > Sarbajit
>> > > "
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Harsh <manderharsh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kindly immediately remove my name from this group as well. I find many of
> the exchanges on it distasteful and disrespectful.
>
> I have repeatedly asked for my name to be removed, but it does not happen.
> Please ensure.
>
> Regards
>
> Harsh Mander
>
>
>
> From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Raminder Singh
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:27 PM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in
> today's Pioneer
>
>
>
> Hello Mr Bhushan
>
> Sorry to have to say this, but what is utterly absurd and ridiculous is when
> people like you who are expected to be speaking out for Arundhati Roy keep
> silent in public groups.
>
> An IPS officer Mr Amitabh Thakur has published an article in the Daily
> Pioneer calling for charges of sedition to be framed against her. As an IPS
> officer Mr Thakur can be presumed to know something about the law - Indian
> Penal Code. Mr Thakur's article is the subject of this thread. Another IPS
> officer (Mr Sharma) has publicly supported your client's statement about the
> integrity of J+K to India. When persons like you keep silent, then you have
> no moral right to demand that this group be wound up. Incidentally how did
> you join this group?
>
> Raminder
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Prashant Bhushan <prashantbhush@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is an utterly absurd and ridiculous group judging from this exchange of
> emails. It should be wound up immediately. At least immediately remove me
> from this group.
>
> Prashant Bhushan
>
>
Re: [HumJanenge]
hello Members,
Wish U very Happy Dipawali !!!!
Adv.Abhay Patil
Pachora.424201.
mob-9423161993
From: Adv. Ajit Deshmukh <advajitdeshmukh@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 7 November, 2010 8:37:45 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge]
happy diwali to you and your group.
--
Adv. Ajit M Deshmukh ( M.A.,LL.B )
Wish U very Happy Dipawali !!!!
Pachora.424201.
mob-9423161993
From: Adv. Ajit Deshmukh <advajitdeshmukh@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 7 November, 2010 8:37:45 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge]
happy diwali to you and your group.
--
Adv. Ajit M Deshmukh ( M.A.,LL.B )
C/O Gajanan Kirana Store,
Karanja Road, Beed. 431122. ( Maharashtra )
Mo: 9422744640.
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy intoday's Pioneer
Sir
Mr Sharma is a valued member / resource person for this group.
I must regretfully inform you that we cannot accede to your request
for the present.
PMK1504
Mr Sharma is a valued member / resource person for this group.
I must regretfully inform you that we cannot accede to your request
for the present.
PMK1504
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:30 PM, <kggk05@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Mr. Moderator, please kick SD Sharma out of the group.Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
From: "S.D. Sharma" <anonsharma@yahoo.com>Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.comDate: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 22:42:04 -0700ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's PioneerYou are talking like wazahat sahib. approach you are suggesting has not worked for over 60 yaers. India must pull out its troops to jammu, use neutron bomb and solve problem finally. Kashmiri youth are asking to be killed, why are they throwing stones and bombs. Rape is effective mean for army to control and dominate. Indian soldiers spend many months away from wive and family. since no local brothels and too many rti queries then raping local girls is best low cost solution Also it is scientific fact that 1 muslim man cannot satisfy 4 wives so where is harm if Indian army helps local poplation.
S D SharmaOn Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote:
The easiest way to solve kashmir problem is to WIN OVER the hearts and minds of the kashmiris ..this cannot be done through raping kashmiri gilrs and killing kashmiri youth.The history is evident that we failed to win kashmir through raping and killing .now lets try to win over kashmir through attemps made to win over hearts and minds of kashmiris.
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr
You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion.
ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem
S D Sharma
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com> wrote:
Friends,
My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc.
There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here.
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1
As an alternative link-
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml
Amitabh Thakur
IPS,
Currently at IIM Lucknow
# 94155-34526
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