Thursday, October 23, 2014

RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr.Sarbajit/Usman
 
May Mr.Usman clarify what sort of salvation Islam offers.Is it a heaven wuith Hurries around you. More over  Islamic scriptures are the most easily misinterprettable religeous scriptures.There are more trhan 50 wars going on around the world today all based on the interpretation of these scriptures.The beheadings by ISIS are based on them,so also are the Sunni-Shia wars happening all around,the massacres of Kurds and Christians,Hafiz Ziad's tirade against India,the terrorist activities in our own country,driving out Pandits from Kashmir and  even the partition of our great country.For this one has to only read Quranic verses 5:33,8:12,47:4.9:123 etc.all can be and also being interpreted to justify such activities and killings.The sensible Muslim intellectuals(if they are allowed to live) and leaders should come out giving interpretations that bring peace among people. Government in turn should with the help of such intellectuals bring in laws to control violent interpretations by semi-literate Mullahs and Moulvis.Most  Muslims want a peaceful life.Unfortunately the fanatic Islamists are running the religeon now.We know the catastrophe that happened when Nazis took over Germany where the majority of Germans were not Nazis.Unfortubately in our country the vote bank secularists and the chattering channels  unknowingly are digging the foundations of our Nation by crying wolf over control on Madrassas which is the need of the day if this nation has to survive.. 
 
navnith 
 
 

 
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:59:28 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website, has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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