[rti4empowerment] Fw: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !!

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To: shirish dave
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: Israel Jayakaran
Cc: Sarbajit Roy
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !!
Sent: Oct 21, 2011 10:48 PM

Anna traveled in a helicopter but Gandhi ji never. Anna has z security Gandhi ji didn't.

Even if any one with hard core evidence prove that whole of team anna is corrupt I would prefer to praise and remain with team Anna considering the kind of movement they started .

We do not need naga babas, sadhus or saints or angels to be the leaders for the movement. Do we?

We do not hesitate to give votes to Murder accused, rape accused, dons and once elected he becomes the voice of the people but here we even gone to the extent calling Ms. Bedi thief, dacoits without investigating the allegations .

All the best to those who are trying to prove their point that team anna should not fight for corruption because they are corrupt themselves.

If they shouldn't then who?

Do the people criticizing here have that courage to lead the movement?

The answer is a big NO.

I prefer the principle something is better than nothing.

Its better if we get something by supporting team anna however corrupt they may be than getting nothing by condemning them.

Best Regards,
CS Arun Dash

------Original Message------
From: shirish dave
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: Israel Jayakaran
Cc: Arun Dash
Cc: Sarbajit Roy
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !!
Sent: Oct 21, 2011 10:21 PM

Kiran Bedi reported to be a member of Anna’s Team. Anna has been reported to be a Mahatma Gandhian. Now this Kiran Bedi’s case of making money for the benefit poor class people through a misappropriated means can be compared with a really Gandhian social worker in nineteen sixties.
 
It was normal to have a long queue at ticket office windows of railways everywhere in India under Nehruvian Congress rule though it was having absolute majority in centre as well as in states.
 
Jugatram Dave a veteran Mahatma Gandhian and his associate had to pick up a train from Ahmedabad to Bharuch. They were somewhat late due to delayed local bus for railway station. The queue for Class III was very long and it was common for many trains. It was quite possible to miss the train if had they stood in queue meant for third class. It was essential to catch the scheduled train.
 
The associate suggested Jugatram (better known as Jugatram kaka) to have tickets for First Class because there was no queue for the first class. Jugatram-kaka agreed to the suggestion. First Class tickets were purchased. But they travelled by third class.
 
I have not heard of any real Gandhian who took any benefit of any type of concession or quota.
 
Anna could be some what a Mahatma Gandhian. But the integrity of his team members is not beyond doubt. Not only this, but their perception of Gandhian principles is not clear.
shirish dave --- On Fri, 21/10/11, Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> wrote: From: Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 21 October, 2011, 5:07 PM Dear Ashok,                   I am astonished at your stand. What Kiran Bedi has done is absolutely wrong. She has no right  to avail a concession and collect the full amount from the sponsors. Won't the creator God view it as immoral?  People who teach high morals  to soceity should not indulge in mal practices like this. They will lose their image in the eyes of the public As an Army officer, you too should be straightwforward and not avail what is not due to you.                                                               Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals,  veteran, Chennai.     From: Ashok Bhanot To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! I am shocked at the statements made by some people in defence of Mrs Kiran Bedi. All thiefs and Docoits can say we took the money from rich and distributed to poor. So money has been used for person gains it is acceptable. Whether the amount is Rs 10000 or Rs10000Cr  it is same. It is the greed and the capcity to swindle. If she could get Few Lakh crores she will still say that she has given to her NGO so she is Mrs Clean. Please look inwards. Jesus said only that person should throw stone who has not committed sin oneself. All these people are sinners. All NGOs as I have heard return 40-60% of amount back to agencies donating/allocating the amount. By that way none of the NGOs are clean and certainely are parasites on the society. All these Anna Team people are running NGO's only. Please consider with an unbiased mind. I request also all parties not to express themselves in such harsh and unparliamentry langauge when discussing on this forum. It appears peaople are using this forum to give vent to their feeling against individuals and not against a cause.   Best wishes Ashok Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com; rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com From: csindelin@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:18:47 +0000 The constant targeting of team Anna especially the timing makes it evident that some blody Govt. Spies are against them. However when the blody spies did not find any substantive offenses, they are now trying to dent the images by making fuss of petty issues. Did Ms. Bedi used the money for personal gain? Is the money of exchequers? By charging business class and traveling in economy what laws has she violated? Its her prerogative to use the money the way she wants. If she would have donated the money to this man (Sarbjit Roy) then also there would have problem considering the fact that team anna is building pressure on govt. Its the blody govt. spies useless fuss meant to dent the images of team anna. Its common in public as well as govt. Sector, people who are eligible to travel in higher class travel in lower class and get them reimbursed with higher class fare. They are the owner of the difference amount and its absolutely ethical to use the money the way they want. I still failed to understand what wrong Ms. Bedi has done. I salute team Anna the way they are bearing and withstanding immense pressure. Best Regards, CS Arun DashSent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:28:50 +0530 To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Subject: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! http://www.indianexpress.com/news/raipur-hosts-put-foot-down-told-bedi-cant-pay-you-twice-for-same-flight/863124/ The cheek of this woman (Kiran Bedi) and her "double" standards. Who are these people to lecture us on corruption ? Who are all these Magsaysay awardees (bloody CIA spies) who presume to lecture us on RTI and aspire to become Chief Information Commissioners ?.
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