Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can’t We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere

A good idea, may be u can get ur paper published on the sub.In my mind our country is not running on some kind of proper n sincere planning but on vested interest planning. In last 60 yrs the sift to the cities has continue because our cities provide better infrastructure n none in villages. Today only people who can not afford to sift to the cities are forced to stay put in the villages.In fact now cities are also looking like villages only, so village has come to the city instead city going to the villages.

From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can't We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere

Actually without realizing we all are putting across our views in the
discussions and sometimes sharing personal trivia like the army in
1971 incident and the growth of infrastucture.Which incidently brings
to my mind todays TOI supplement about the great migration of village
people to the cities.
This is of import to each of us as at some point it will effect our
day to day lives.
Maybe people in the Planning Commision are putting some effort in
these far reaching policies.
And just so that one has not lost the original point, why Planning
Commission does not do a survey of all states or govt run bodies to
ascertain the growth pattern.


On 10/2/11, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its unfortunate that the dialogue and discussions on most fora are not
> domain-oriented but personality-centric.
> At the end of the day,whats the take? Gains?
> NOTHING.Hum kya Janenge kucch samay baad?
> Kucch nahi.
> Without proper and comprehensive analysis, kite-flying is resorted to by
> virtually by all esteemed colleagues,probably just to fulfil some urge to
> communicate(primordial human need).
> With my vast experience and years of research work(both before and after my
> PhD),in KM(Knowledge Management) and in anti-corruption arena,Imight like to
> make this forum basically a knowledge portal on TRANSPARENCY and
> ANTI-CORRUPTION subjects and allied areas.
> Will the moderators pl liaise with me on this area?
> Tu Tu Mei Mei on the forum,under any guise,or pretext,should be big NO.
> A revised version of the forum,in no time, will deliver goods and be in the
> larger public interest.
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>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ravinder Singh
> <corruptionfree04@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Gujarat Failed in Critical Sectors
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>> Dear Major,
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>> Gujarat is a Trading Hub for many thousand years – No one can take away
>> this advantage.
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>> Most of the six lane or eight lane highways are operated by NHAI.
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>> While per capita income in Gujarat is similar to Punjab and Haryana, in
>> Gujarat income is less evenly distributed, and concentrated with few
>> $billionaires but more evenly distributed in Punjab & Haryana.
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>> Gujarat under Modi failed in critical areas – It couldn't develop Oil &
>> Gas and was Hoarding, Narmada Irrigation System, Food Production with
>> Emphasis on Bt Cotton mainly for exports, Education and Healthcare.
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>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Ramesh Agnani <agnanir@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I don't agree with the mail by Ashok. Since I was involved in the roll
>>> out of e com in Gujarat which started in 2000- 2001 during Patel's CM
>>> ship
>>> and not after Modi took over as is the general belief. How ever it
>>> was completed and implemented with more entusiasm and vigour after Modi
>>> took
>>> over. Gujrat was prosperous since earlier days but only some pockets
>>> where
>>> Patels ruled the roost. How ever after very effective ecom and effective
>>> administrative controls by Modi the state today is one opf the most
>>> prosperous and caste divide free estate, except for some pockets. So I
>>> feel
>>> that ecom is a very effective tool but at the end of the day it is the
>>> implementation and proper monitoring with iron hand administartive
>>> control
>>> that it would become effective. And hence not only implementation of egov
>>> across country, I agree with MK it also requires political will power and
>>> a
>>> very effective leader with an iron hand control to make it deliver the
>>> desired results.
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>>
>>> Major Ramesh Agnani(Retd)
>>> Consultant(Telecom and Networking)
>>> Telnet Consultants Pvt. Ltd.,
>>> Tele : 011 - 25770693, Mob : 98111 18546
>>>  *From:* Ashok Bhanot <bhanotashok@hotmail.com>
>>> *To:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 September 2011, 16:59
>>>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can't We Have Obama, Modi &
>>> Modi Everywhere
>>>
>>>  I think either you are biased or dont know about Gujrat. This state has
>>> always been a properous and advanced state infrastructure wise.
>>> In Feb 1971 after plane was hijacked by pakistan I moved the Army convoy
>>> from Pune to Jodhpur. While Rajsthan and just Class 9 road (single lane)
>>> Gujrat had 8 Lanes cemented roads which are still not available in most
>>> parts of the country even today.
>>> Which common man from Gujrat have you met.
>>> Let us be realistic and logical
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can't We Have Obama, Modi &
>>> Modi Everywhere
>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com; progressindia008@yahoo.com
>>> From: mkkhera@yahoo.com
>>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:17:53 +0000
>>>
>>> Gujarat today has system of doing cataract operation of animals too. You
>>> can imagine that all human beings are already covered for this kind of a
>>> need. Ask common man in Gujarat, he says ab yahan aman aur chain hai,
>>> forget
>>> the dog like fight between Cong and BJP. Gujarat is thriving on e gov. If
>>> we
>>> have a strong and powerful PM, India would be under e gov and 95 % graft
>>> is
>>> eradicated. Yes, we need a political party with inner and outer democracy
>>> but never a weak leader as we have today. your mention of Hitler or
>>> Nazism
>>> are both misleading. If a common person irrespective of caste, creed or
>>> religion is happy, that strong and powerful leader deserves to be the PM.
>>> Nation needs very strong, fool proof and 24/7 unfailing national e gov
>>> which
>>> gives jitters to all potential economic offenders day in and day out and
>>> sends signals to their mind that if they even think of taking any graft
>>> the
>>> e gov method can get them punished so badly that their gen next also
>>> would
>>> advise them not to do it. If u do it then u r alone in this. Gujarat is
>>> on
>>> its way to be that state by 2020. Warm regards,
>>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>>>  *From: *Ravinder Singh <corruptionfree04@gmail.com>
>>> *Sender: *humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> *Date: *Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:25:36 +0200
>>> *To: *Ravinder Singh<progressindia008@yahoo.com>
>>> *ReplyTo: *humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *[HumJanenge] Democracy – Why Can't We Have Obama , Modi & Modi
>>> Everywhere
>>>
>>> *Democracy – Why Can't We Have Obama, Modi & Modi Everywhere *
>>> * *
>>> Col. I, Jayakaran,
>>>
>>> I observed 2009 US Presidential Elections wanted to find out why couldn't
>>> India prop up an Obama and why do we see Modi & Modi everywhere analyzed
>>> Constitution & Conduct of Indian Political Parties and came up with
>>> Democratic Party of India constitution inspired and improved to work for
>>> India.
>>>
>>> Our Political Parties function like India Private Companies that do not
>>> value merit; do not accept views of juniors in cadre and families who own
>>> more shares run the company or appoint person of their choice to work. It
>>> is
>>> difficult for outsiders to join any party and given due place based on
>>> merit.
>>>
>>> There is no inner & outer democracy in India like we see in US Elections
>>> –
>>> Obama battled through inner party democratic process in every state and
>>> won
>>> inner party polls before finally nominated to represent Democratic Party
>>> –
>>> people knew his policies and programs in detail.
>>>
>>> We see Modi, Modi, Modi everywhere in Gujarat because there is no inner
>>> party democracy in ruling party and no body is allowed to speak against
>>> Modi
>>> just like Nazi Germany.
>>>
>>> Just like monsoon come suddenly there are rains, frogs comes out of soil,
>>> make noises and mate then disappear in about 100 days, Elections process
>>> in
>>> India is similar Elections are announced suddenly, Candidates crop up
>>> from
>>> nowhere who make wild noises and false promises and votes are cast and
>>> everything is wound up in 100 days then Candidates disappear for five
>>> years.
>>> One in ten Candidates is a winner and becomes inaccessible to majority of
>>> the people, he is not required to be intelligent to make decisions that
>>> are
>>> taken by Central Leadership and is free to make money by legal or illegal
>>> means or indulge in criminal activities including bootlegging,
>>> extortions,
>>> rape, murder and prostitution etc.
>>>
>>> Design of Democratic Party
>>>
>>> We need Democratic Party that is accessible to every citizen of India
>>> 24x365 basis – anyone may join or leave the party, make useful
>>> contribution
>>> from inside or outside the party and office bearers are elected on merits
>>> alone.
>>>
>>> We have to provide an alternative.
>>>
>>> Ravinder Singh
>>> Inventor & Engineer
>>> September27, 2011
>>>
>>>
>>>
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